From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V5 #10 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Tuesday, February 13 2001 Volume 05 : Number 010 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. Re: [scribes]: psuedo topic [scribes]: Egg & Dart Re: [scribes]: psuedo topic [scribes]: OT - virus warning [scribes]: RE: [SCA-AE] OT - virus warning [scribes]: Please do NOT post Virus Warnings [scribes]: Four Minutes of Fame ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:48:13 -0800 (PST) From: Bryan Bell Subject: Re: [scribes]: psuedo topic Goodday, all! Being new and all to the list, I'm finding the discussion of pseudo scripts interesting. I am observing that there seem to be two issues being discussed: 1) Is there a place for pseudo scripts in period SCA work, given that they did not exist at the time of the period (in other words, they are "modern" scripts); and 2) Is the calligraphy penned well or poorly (Is the script legible? Does it flow well, and is it aesthetically pleasing?) I believe that everyone on the list could agree with issue number 2. If a script is calligraphed, whether it be an exact period script, or a "modern" interpretation of a period script, then it should follow the mechanics of good calligraphy; that is to say, the script (in whatever language it is penned) should be legible to the gentle reader. Also, and this is the subjective part that everyone will have a different like or dislike on--in my opinion, the script should be aesthetically pleasing. It should flow in the same way that a period script does, perhaps similarly to the script it is imitating... Of course, some period scripts lend themselves better to legibility than others. And any given person will find one script inherently more "beautiful" than another, so aesthetics are truly in the eye of the beholder... The first topic is one that is outside of my realm to comment on, being new and yet a mundane. I observe, however, that there seem to be two camps on the subject of "Do they belong?": Those who feel (to whatever degree of passion) that SCA pieces should be penned in period scripts only; and those who feel that consistency of penmanship is more important than the letter of the law (pardon me for that gratuitous pun). I dare not step in where angel scribes fear to tread :)... But I think both camps would agree while many current musicians have studied the classics, thereby enriching their music, that evenso, we as scribes have much to learn from exceling in the period hands. If we can study and master a period hand, then we learn from the way we fashion the penstrokes how the letters are created. And if we can create a period script that is penned well (as per the previous paragraph), then we have learned good penmanship, and can use that to expand our artistic endeavors--whether the place for that is within SCA or within the realm of mundane calligraphy. Pardons for graciously allowing me to plead my case... *bows to the lord, bows to the lady* :) Flourishes, Bryan (mundane) =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:52:08 -0500 From: "Dorothy Lukacz" Subject: [scribes]: Egg & Dart Greetings~~ A little late for the conversation, but~~ "Egg and Dart" is a term used to describe a specific architectural molding that dates back to Classical Greek and Roman times, yet has remained popular throughout the centuries. On a trip to your local home improvement store, you can find examples in the decorative wood molding department and the wallpaper department. (Saradwen~~If you remember, Graca's front door has such molding around the window.) What does it look like? Place a row of ovals, or "eggs," standing on end with a little space between them. The "darts" fit vertically in between, filling the triangular voids between the ovals. They can be simple or ornate diamonds, triangle, or arrowhead shapes. "Egg and Dart" moldings can be found in architectural styles of Italian Renaissance illumination, such as: "A History of Illuminated Manuscripts" by Christopher de Hamel (first edition) page 223, plate 229: "Matthias Corvinus and his wife Beatrice of Aragon..." The arch and the top crown moldings. "The Painted Page: Italian Renaissance Book Illumination 1450-1550" Several good examples can be found here; the best include: page 71, plate 15: The gold bands around the columns, and the in the top gold crown molding, the third section from the top. page145, plate 67: The widest part of the crown molding on the square tower. page 168, plate 81: The gold highlighted blue molding that frames the miniature at the top of the page. page 173, plate 84: In the light blue crown molding, the third section from the top. How the art experts jumped the gap between solid architectural moldings and the delicate pen and ink work known as "flourishing" is quite perplexing. ~~LLyrydwyl~~ =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:04:03 EST From: Luiseach@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: psuedo topic In a message dated 02/12/01 5:50:24 PM, bryanb@iquest.net writes: << Those who feel (to whatever degree of passion) that SCA pieces should be penned in period scripts only; and those who feel that consistency of penmanship is more important than the letter of the law (pardon me for that gratuitous pun). I dare not step in where angel scribes fear to tread :)... >> Unto the gentle artisan, Bryan, greetings and my commendations for your thoughtful words. I don't think any of the scribes on this list would argue for using post-period scripts, even if they are beautiful and well-written. The arguement is over doing faux-Cyrillic, or faux-Hebrew or faux-Sanskrit, i.e. writing in English, mostly using the Roman alphabet but distorting letter shapes and/or using some letters out of the alphabet we're "fauxing" instead of the English letter they most closely resemble. You see this in faux Russian all the time with the "backwards R" which is a Cyrillic letter with the sound of "ya" or "ia." Personally, I find faux-Russian difficult to read as I know enough Russian to come to a complete halt when I find the Russian "ya" used as an "r" or the "i"(which looks like a backwards N) used as "n" etc, etc. Luighseach getting ready to back out into the rain in soggy southern California =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:09:59 -0500 From: "K. Reinhart" Subject: [scribes]: OT - virus warning A warning from my ISP. YIS, Lady Keran Roslin Subject: Pronet Warning of another virus (Here you have) From: (Pronet Network Mgr) Do Not Open The Attachment!! An Internet-based email worm that masquerades as a picture of tennis star Anna Kournikova is spreading fast, so posing a severe threat to the world's email servers. Alex Shipp, senior anti-virus technologist at MessageLabs, which scans customers email for malicious code, said the VBS/SST virus is "spreading twice as fast as the Love Bug". He said that only four hours after MessageLabs first detected the bug, it has so far intercepted 2,076 copies of VBS/SST originating from 278 different firms. The worm comes in an email with the subject line "Here you have, ;o)" and an attachment called AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs. VBS/SST is written in Visual Basic Script and has mass mailing characteristics, which means it will email itself to everyone in a Outlook users' address book. The worm only infects machines running Microsoft Windows and will only be able to propagate on machines running Outlook that have not installed the patch Microsoft provided after the outbreak of the Love Bug, which used very similar propagation techniques. Graham Cluley, senior technology consultant at Sophos, said the virus writers were using the same tricks as those who created the Love Bug, but were been even smarter about what would motivate people into opening an infected message. "People need to think more with their brains instead of concentrating on their forehand wrist action," said Cluley, who predicted nonetheless that the virus would have less of an effect than the Love Bug. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:28:24 -0500 From: Anjuli/Ellen Subject: [scribes]: RE: [SCA-AE] OT - virus warning This is very accurate. My lord, a network engineer, has been battling this thing at his office all day! Anjuli - -----Original Message----- From: K. Reinhart [SMTP:keran@hancock.net] Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 11:10 PM To: SCA AEthelmearc; scribes@castle.org Subject: [SCA-AE] OT - virus warning A warning from my ISP. YIS, Lady Keran Roslin Subject: Pronet Warning of another virus (Here you have) From: (Pronet Network Mgr) Do Not Open The Attachment!! An Internet-based email worm that masquerades as a picture of tennis star Anna Kournikova is spreading fast, so posing a severe threat to the world's email servers. Alex Shipp, senior anti-virus technologist at MessageLabs, which scans customers email for malicious code, said the VBS/SST virus is "spreading twice as fast as the Love Bug". He said that only four hours after MessageLabs first detected the bug, it has so far intercepted 2,076 copies of VBS/SST originating from 278 different firms. The worm comes in an email with the subject line "Here you have, ;o)" and an attachment called AnnaKournikova.jpg.vbs. VBS/SST is written in Visual Basic Script and has mass mailing characteristics, which means it will email itself to everyone in a Outlook users' address book. The worm only infects machines running Microsoft Windows and will only be able to propagate on machines running Outlook that have not installed the patch Microsoft provided after the outbreak of the Love Bug, which used very similar propagation techniques. Graham Cluley, senior technology consultant at Sophos, said the virus writers were using the same tricks as those who created the Love Bug, but were been even smarter about what would motivate people into opening an infected message. "People need to think more with their brains instead of concentrating on their forehand wrist action," said Cluley, who predicted nonetheless that the virus would have less of an effect than the Love Bug. ************************************************************************** To unsubscribe send mail to sca-aethelmearc-request@andrew.cmu.edu With the body: UNSUBSCRIBE sca-aethelmearc youremailaddress A Moderated (On topic discussion only) list called ae-mod is available: To subscribe from ae-mod, send "subscribe ae-mod" to majordomo@jtan.com ************************************************************************** =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:42:15 -0800 From: Ken Stoner Subject: [scribes]: Please do NOT post Virus Warnings I understand the good intentions of people who post Virus warnings. However, it is the policy of Castle.org that Virus Warning are not concidered as being appropriate topics of conversation on our Medieval lists. The reason for this policy is that often virus warnings are merely hoaxes and that your ISP's/Providers should be informing you through their own channels. Again, I understand the good intentions of people who post these warnings. If you suspect that a virus has been sent via Castle.org, please send an e-mail to the owner of Castle.org (mailto:nomad@castle.org) and CC me, your friendly list moderator (mailto:kenstone@microsoft.com). We will take whatever action is deemed necessary at that time, possibly including a warning message to the list. Thank you for your understanding. For more information about the latest Computer Viruses, please http://ciac.llnl.gov/ Ken S =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:54:38 EST From: EowynA@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Four Minutes of Fame Hi! The film crew just left. My embroidery (and me, for a little bit!) will be a feature on a new program on the Home and Garden network -- "Sew Very Much." I am so thrilled I had to share. Some of the pieces were ones I did for the Master Craftsman program, if anyone wants to see what kinds of things done for the Counted Thread program. I also mention the SCA, and how medieval manuscripts influenced me. They also filmed a couple scribal pieces I did on vellum - one is writing only, the other is illustration only. The needlework designs are inspired by historical styles, and the feature focuses on the blackwork pieces. This will actually be broadcast sometime in April, May, or June -- they don't have a specific date yet. They were here for four hours, to film what will become a 4 minute segment. I'm so exciting, I'm telling everyone! :-) Melinda Sherbring, Los Angeles, a.k.a. Eowyn Amberdrake, Caid =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V5 #10 ****************************