From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V5 #6 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Sunday, February 11 2001 Volume 05 : Number 006 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. [scribes]: Gulf Wars Scribes Point [scribes]: period gesso recipe = no archive? Re: [scribes]: period gesso recipe = no archive? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 10:51:53 -0600 From: J Hetrick Subject: [scribes]: Gulf Wars Scribes Point Greetings, Below is a couple bits of information about Scribes' Point, yes it returns this year. It was very successful two years ago. Come and meet other scribes from all over the Knowne World. If you have been scribing for a long time - come share your knowledge - and those who have not scribe as long, come and learn. But best of all, come and meet some really cool folks; and scribes are soooo cool too. :) There will be classes, books and people there to gleam knowledge from. Scribes Point will be located in the Dungeon or mka the Bungalow A BIG THANKS to Isabel the Mad for organizing and volunteering to run Scribes Point again this year. Come and find out why she is really MAD. :) THL Jennet of Tewkesbury From Isabel "Scribes' point is for the gathering of the known word's scribes and those interested in the scribal arts. It is for for those who wish to exchange information, and for the hand's teaching and practice of scribal arts, including but not limited to calligraphy, illumination and book arts. Scribes point is for the use of scribes and heralds working on kingdom scrolls, or in need of the clean, well lit work area scribes require, which is unavailable in most camps." subject: [scribes]: Gulf Wars Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:39:35 -0000 From: "I.C. Kessler" To: scribes@castle.org This year at gulf wars there will be the return of Scribes' point, in the dungeon. Hour's of scribe's point will be 9AM - 5PM, Tuesday through Friday There will be clean, dry, lighted work area with A/C/ & heat for scribes working on scrolls for self or kingdom. I hope to offer two scribal classes/day one at 11AM and one at 2PM so there's plenty of time between classes. Hope to have work space for at least 20. If you have a class you would like to teach at Gulf Wars in scribe's point please email me directly, ICKessler@Hotmail.com or Jennet, Jennet@sprintmail.com. Some hands-on classes would be great. I think it may be too late to schedule classes with the person who is doing the general class schedule for Gulf Wars. In that case we will probably post a class schedule on the herald boards with their permission. Gulf Wars has a middle eastern bent this year. We will be sharing this space with RUM, the Royal University of Meridies. - - Isabel the Mad - - Isabel C Kessler =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 10:53:00 -0600 From: "Asta Jorundardottir" Subject: [scribes]: period gesso recipe = no archive? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C09418.CD34F620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! De-lurking to ask a couple of questions: I have been wading through months of messages in my mailbox looking for = some period gesso recipes. I started saving all messages because I = couldn't find an archive of the scribes list. Is there one? Anyhow, = none of the messages I have saved actually have a period gesso recipe. = A few modern ones are all I could find. Does anyone know where I can = find and document one? I am also looking for documentation on period = pigments (specifically azurite, saffron, cinnabar, malachite, and others = that I might be able to find the ingredients for). I have Cennini's The = Craftsman's Handbook, Thompson's Materials and Techniques of Medieval = Painting, and On Divers Arts by Theophilus. Are there any other good = period sources for pigments, gesso, and vellum preparation? =20 Thank you for your assistance. Asta Sites that make a difference: www.endcancernow.com www.thehungersite.com www.peaceforall.com www.therainforestsite.com www.thekidsaidssite.com - ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C09418.CD34F620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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De-lurking to ask a couple of=20 questions:
 
I have been wading through months of = messages in my=20 mailbox looking for some period gesso recipes.  I started saving = all=20 messages because I couldn't find an archive of the scribes list.  = Is there=20 one?  Anyhow, none of the messages I have saved actually have a = period=20 gesso recipe.  A few modern ones are all I could find.  Does = anyone=20 know where I can find and document one?  I am also looking for=20 documentation on period pigments (specifically azurite, saffron, = cinnabar,=20 malachite, and others that I might be able to find the ingredients = for).  I=20 have Cennini's The Craftsman's Handbook, Thompson's Materials and = Techniques of=20 Medieval Painting, and On Divers Arts by Theophilus.  Are there any = other=20 good period sources for pigments, gesso, and vellum preparation? =20
 
Thank you for your = assistance.
 
Asta

Sites that make a = difference:
 
www.endcancernow.com
www.thehungersite.com
www.peaceforall.com
www.therainforestsite.com
www.thekidsaidssite.com
 
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C09418.CD34F620-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 15:46:55 -0500 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: Re: [scribes]: period gesso recipe = no archive? >I have been wading through months of messages in my mailbox looking for some period >gesso recipes. I started saving all messages because I couldn't find an archive of the scribes >list. Is there one? Anyhow, none of the messages I have saved actually have a period gesso >recipe. A few modern ones are all I could find. Does anyone know where I can find and >document one? Go to this web site for a period gesso recipe: http://www.antiochian.org/midwest/Articles/GoldGuilding.htm This web site is the "Sacred Art Journal" which is a publication of the St. John of Damascus Association of Orthodox Iconographers, Iconologists and Architects. Looking at their bibliography, they use most of the sources that we all seem to have: Child, Johnston, Thompson, Cennini, Bologna and a few others. Mostly secondary sources, to be sure, but still, if you have Cennini, that is as good a primary source as any. >I am also looking for documentation on period pigments (specifically azurite, saffron, >cinnabar, malachite, and others that I might be able to find the ingredients for). I have >Cennini's The Craftsman's Handbook, Thompson's Materials and Techniques of Medieval >Painting, and On Divers Arts by Theophilus. Are there any other good period sources for >pigments, gesso, and vellum preparation? Yes, the Göttingen Model Book (ed. by Helmutt Lehmann-Haupt, University of Missouri Press, 1972, sadly out of print and very difficult to find) has period pigment recipes in it. For example, here is one excerpt for you: The dark brown or dark red make thus: Take a half an ounce of brazilwood, grated or beaten, and put it into a stone jar, that the brazilwood fills half the jar; and then take strong lye and warm it, that it is lukewarm, and pour the lye over the brazilwood, the width of a finger, and stir it well; and take right away one-eighth ounce of ground chalk and stir it in and grate right away a quarter ounce of burnt alum; stir that in as well and look and see whether it will dissolve right away, as though it would foam; and let it stand three or four or five days. If you let it stand longer, it will get browner; and then pour it onto hard chalk through a cloth and let it dry. Then rub it with pure thin gum, not too strong and not too weak, in the same way as the blue, without sugar-candy. Göttingen was illuminated around 1450, give or take, making it a late 15th century source. If you can find a copy in a good academic library or know someone who would allow you to borrow a copy or could acquire the CD-ROM of it somehow, so much the better. It's a great source book for information and one that I am glad that after searching for 20+ years, I finally was able to come into a copy of it. Best of luck in your quest, and keep us posted! ~Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V5 #6 ***************************