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scribes digest      Wednesday, November 15 2000      Volume 04 : Number 070



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 [scribes]: Killing book germs
 [scribes]: Quill knife
 Re: [scribes]: Visconti Hours
 Re: [scribes]: Killing book germs
 Re: [scribes]: Killing book germs

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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 11:11:34 -0500
From: Randy Asplund <randyaf@provide.net>
Subject: [scribes]: Killing book germs

Hold on. Let's not forget that sometimes inks in books are not always
permanent, especially with older books. I've seen books which were left open
have illustrations fade badly. Also, lysol is wet when it goes on, so you
would need to be really careful not to put it down heavy enough to moisten the
page. Otherwise you will wreck the paper. How could you control that? Are you
sure that Lysol is even chemically safe for the book?

Have you tried plutonium? Also, I understand that books subjected to
concentrated heat of at least 451 F are freed of mold, mildew, AND dust mites! <smile>

RanthulfR

Edgar, Terry wrote:
> 
> I have two ideas, 1.  spray each page "lightly" with lysol, then place in
> the sun  and turn the pages and allow to air out.  I work in the medical
> field where we are required to keep medical records forever.  I ran into
> that problem with the records and this technique worked well, just remember
> to spray it very lightly.  the Lysol kills mildew and the sun acts as a
> sterilization method.  Librarians in the past have put open books in the sun
> for just such a purpose.  The ultra violet rays kill a lot of bacteria,
> molds etc.  If you have a small vaccume, you might want to gently vaccume
> with a small attachment to suck out dust and dust mites.
> 
> Rivka
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CarynvnK@aol.com [mailto:CarynvnK@aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 11:40 PM
> To: scribes@castle.org
> Subject: [scribes]: Re: Book of Hours facsimiles
> 
> Hello everyone:
> I've really enjoyed everyone talking about their favorite facsimiles,
> especially the Visconti Hours, which is one of mine too!  I also have a
> little book, not a facsimile, with pictures from the Hastings Hours, which
> was made in the southern Netherlands near the end of the 15th century for
> William Lord Hastings, who was executed by Richard III in 1483. This is nice
> 
> miniatures and "pressed" flowers on colored borders.
> 
> And I have a question:  I have an old copy of the Grandes Heures, which I
> bought used, and it has a dreadful smell to it, rather like a combination of
> 
> mildew and rotten bananas.  The book itself isn't damaged (though the dust
> cover is ragged), but I can't stand the smell and I sneeze whenever I look
> at
> it too long.  And I want to look at it!  Does anyone know a way of removing
> the smell from the book without damaging it further?  Someone suggested
> putting it in a plastic bag with aquarium charcoal.  Is there any other
> effective method?
> Thanks very much in advance
> Caryn, Artemisia
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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 12:00:40 -0500
From: Janice Safran <jks6@cornell.edu>
Subject: [scribes]: Quill knife

Has anyone ordered the quill knife from John Neal booksellers? I am 
thinking of getting one (my other option is to grind a blade of my 
own, to get a period shape), and I want to ask a few questions of 
anyone who owns one.

E-mail me at jks6@cornell.edu if you have one (or if you've used one 
that belonged to a friend or A&S guru)>

Thanks very much in advance-- may your whitework always come out beautiful!

Lady Jehane

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Die dulci fruere.
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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:44:42 GMT
From: "I.C. Kessler" <ickessler@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Visconti Hours

It's a nice book, congrats, they're kind of hard to find. :)

About the gold in the repro: read the text, there's at least three different 
gold-using techniques the artists used, and you can kind of tell them apart. 
There's a gold leaf, a shell gold and a golf leaf with a red laquer painted 
over it.

I did a page from the Visconti several years ago, and kind of got to know 
the text then.

Good luck with it I hope it inspires you to make wonderful things.

- - K

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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 09:42:15 -0800
From: Carolyn_Richardson@cch.com
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Killing book germs

>>Have you tried plutonium? Also, I understand that books subjected to
concentrated heat of at least 451 F are freed of mold, mildew, AND dust
mites! <smile><<

Well, while RanthulfR's comments were definitely tongue in cheek, I was
actually going to suggest something similiar.  I agree with him that the
Lysol idea might do more harm than good, although leaving the book open to
the sun might help some.  It sounds like the book got wet at some point and
is suffering from a bad case of mildew and god knows what other molds.

I used to work in a university library, and we had to deal with this
problem on occasion (particularly when one part of our roof decided to
leak).  The solution we used was to send the books off to be freeze dried.
They were then brushed with something on each page to remove some of the
stains and smell.  You could check with your local university library or
local public library to see if they can help you out, but here's what I
would do:

Put the book into a large sealed plastic bag (given the size of the Grande
Heures, a large kitchen trash bag would probably work).  Put this package
into your freezer for at least a week.  That should kill off any active
mold spores and other bugs, and is something I've done with other items to
kill of similiar problems (don't put the book directly in the freezer as
the moisture in it won't help the condition of your book).  Buy some of
Lineco's Document Cleaning Powder or pads - these are used (according to my
University Products conservation catalog) for cleaning dusty, dirty, or
moldy paper items.  The pads contain a soft, grit-free powder that absorbs
and cleans the surface dirt from paper.  You can order these products from
University products - the pads are $4.60 each, and a 2lb can of powder is
$21.05.  That should be enough to do your entire library!  I think any soft
cotton pad could be used rather than the Lineco pads, but I may be wrong.
I also think the pads contain powder, so you don't need to necessarily buy
the can of powder (I'd ask Customer Service while ordering).  You might
also be able to find these products at a large art supply store.
University products can be reached at 800-628-1912, or at their website
www.universityproducts.com.

Of course, you'll probably be sneezing while doing the cleaning but wear a
dust mask or cover your nose and mouth with a handkerchief or something
- -that should help.  Good luck!

Tetchubah of Greenlake, Caid

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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 15:23:23 -0600 (CST)
From: Joy Kingsolver <joykings@mcs.net>
Subject: Re: [scribes]: Killing book germs

On those document cleaning pags: yes, they do contain powder,
way more than enough for one book, and they work very well
if you're slow and careful. I use them frequently and they've
never caused much of a sneezing problem for me. We've also used
the freeze-dry technique here, but for bugs and wet books rather
than mold. I would recommend the COOL website
(http://www.palimpsest.stanford.edu) for information on mold
and related problems. It's very helpful.

Hope that helps--
Joy Kingsolver
Chicago Jewish Archives			

On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 Carolyn_Richardson@cch.com wrote:

> 
> the moisture in it won't help the condition of your book).  Buy some of
> Lineco's Document Cleaning Powder or pads - these are used (according to my
> University Products conservation catalog) for cleaning dusty, dirty, or
> moldy paper items.  The pads contain a soft, grit-free powder that absorbs
> and cleans the surface dirt from paper.  You can order these products from
> University products - the pads are $4.60 each, and a 2lb can of powder is
> $21.05.  That should be enough to do your entire library!  I think any soft
> cotton pad could be used rather than the Lineco pads, but I may be wrong.
> I also think the pads contain powder, so you don't need to necessarily buy
> the can of powder (I'd ask Customer Service while ordering).  You might
> also be able to find these products at a large art supply store.
> University products can be reached at 800-628-1912, or at their website
> www.universityproducts.com.
> 
> Of course, you'll probably be sneezing while doing the cleaning but wear a
> dust mask or cover your nose and mouth with a handkerchief or something
> -that should help.  Good luck!
> 


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