From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V4 #32 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Friday, October 27 2000 Volume 04 : Number 032 ======================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with unsubscribe scribes-digets in the body of the message. Leave the subject line blank. Do not include any additional text. [scribes]: Book of Kells [scribes]: Librabries - what do you have? Re: [scribes]: Re: THE model book Re: [scribes]: Librabries - what do you have? Re: [scribes]: Re: THE model book ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:51:00 -1000 From: "Dubheasa" Subject: [scribes]: Book of Kells This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C03F64.89F9C1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those interested in owning a complete digital copy of the Book of = Kells, it is available for a mere $25 for the standard edition or $50 = for the limited edition (plus shipping) at the link below. http://www.bookofkells.ie/cdrom.asp Lady Dubheasa hEalaighthe Western Seas, Caid - ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C03F64.89F9C1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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- ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C03F64.89F9C1A0-- =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:39:53 -0600 From: Chendra Conklin Subject: [scribes]: Librabries - what do you have? I was wondering if you all might be willing to share the list of books/references you have, with any commentary your favorite books and why? I have been inactive for several years, so my rather meger library contains only about 45 items. I'd be especially interested to hear what good references have come out in the last 5-6 years. *smile* Here's my list: Braziller (pub) The Grandes Heures of Jean Duke of Berry Pognon, Edmond Les Tres Riches Heures du Duc de Berry National Gallery of Art The Age of Sultan Suleyman the Magnificent Whalley, Joyce I The Art of Calligraphy Anderson, Donald M. Calligraphy: The Art of Written Forms Drogin, Marc Medieval Calligraphy: It's History and Technique Shepherd, Margaret Using Calligraphy Shepherd, Margaret Learning Calligraphy Child, Heather The Calligrapher's Handbook Folsom, Rose The Calligrapher's Dictionary Nesbitt, Alexander The History and Technique of Lettering Meehan, Aidan Spiral Patterns Meehan, Aidan Illuminated Letters Meehan, Aidan Animal Patterns Meehan, Aidan A Beginner's Manual Knopf (publisher) The Book of Kells (1988) Sullivan, Sir Edward The Book of Kells (1955) Backhouse, Janet The Lindisfarne Gospels Nordenfalk, Carl Celtic and Anglo-Saxon Painting Davis, Courtney Celtic Borders & Decoration Henderson, George From Durrow to Kells The Insular Gospel Books 650-800 Bain, Iain Celtic Knotwork Knopf (publisher) The Book of Kells (1980) Kendrick, T.D. Late Saxon and Viking Art Author Name Bullfinch Press (pub) A Medieval Christmas Pirani, Emma Gothic Illuminated Manuscripts Lehmann-Haupt, Hellmut The Gottingen Model Book Thompson Jr, Daniel The Craftman's Handbook 'Il Libro dell'Arte' (Cennini) Welch, Stuart C Persian Painting Alexander, Jonathan J.G. The Decorated Letter International Center of Medieval Art (pub) Gesta Vol. XXX/2 (1991) International Center of Medieval Art (pub) Gesta Vol. XXXI/1 (1992) International Center of Medieval Art (pub) Gesta Vol. XXXI/2 (1992) National Gallery of Art (pub) Medieval & Renaissance Miniatures Meredian College of Scribes The Silver Quill AS XXIII Vol. 1 Meredian College of Scribes The Silver Quill AS XXIII Vol. 2 Meredian College of Scribes The Silver Quill AS XXIV Vol. 3 Mayer, Ralph The Artist's Handbook of Materials & Techniques Maggs Bros Ltd. Catalogue 1093: Early Printed Books and Manuscripts Thompson Jr, Daniel The Materials and Techniques of Medieval Painting Alexander, Jonathan Medieval Illuminators and Their Methods of Work Hassall, AG & WO Treasures from the Bodleian Library (1971) Sotheby & Co (pub) The Dyson Perrins Collection (11/29/60) Sotheby & Co (pub) Western Manuscripts and Miniatures (6/12/93) - -the redhead- ... who *will* be getting those CD's mentioned in earlier posts... Chendra Outlands =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:21:16 -0700 From: "Laura F. Jenkins" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: THE model book I jsut got a copy of the Gottengin Model book through abe.com. It was only $60.00, and I got it in four days! I was totally amazed and totally jazzed. I thought that was pretty cheap (as the other book I really really want (Three Books of the Potter's Art) I haven't seen for under $175 (and the others are $200, $300 and $400 *sigh*. cheers, aliskye Lyondemere, Caid sburnell@raex.com wrote: > > This was a hot tip for those who are into western Euporean > Illumination, > > The Goettingen Model book was a 1450 reference for illuminators, > such as > > Gutenberg, who needed stcok images, like clip-art from CD's. The > link I > > got yesterday was NOT very good, and the one I E-mailed today is > better. > > Many scribes have been looking for this book in used bookstores, I > have > > been loooking to buy a real copy, (not a photocopy), for twenty-one > > years. > > I, too, had searched in vain for a real hard copy of the Göttingen > Model Book and just recently lucked into a copy that I heard about on > this list just before Pennsic. I paid dearly for it, but it's worth > it. The best place to look, I find is this web site: > > http://www.abebooks.com > > They're probably the largest rare/used book site out there and I've > gotten very lucky in my finds of hard-to-find books, including > Göttingen. They don't always have it, but you can have that book put > on your "want list" and when a copy becomes available, they will > notify you as such. > > Good luck! > > Saradwen > Midrealm > > =================================================================== > To unsubscribe from this list, send email to > with a blank Subject: line and > unsubscribe scribes > in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in > the body. =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:38:12 -0400 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Librabries - what do you have? > I was wondering if you all might be willing to share the list of > books/references you have, with any commentary your favorite books and why? Well, I'm certainly not going to list my entire library here, because that could get lengthy. Rather, I will list what I feel are good essentials to own. Many of the ones I would list you already have, so you already have a leg up on having a good library going. I have, just to name a few: "Painted Prayers" and "Time Sanctified : The Book of Hours in Medieval Art and Life" by Roger S. Wieck "A History of Illuminated Manuscripts" by Christopher de Hamel, first AND second editions! "Scribes and Illuminators" by Christopher de Hamel "The Illuminated Page" by Janet Backhouse "Western European Illuminated Manuscripts of the 8th to the 16th Centuries" by Tamara Voronova and Andrei Sterligov (MSS. in the National Library of Russia in St. Petersburg) "Masterpieces of the J. Paul Getty Museum : Illuminated Manuscripts" "Medieval Illuminators and their Methods of Work" by J.G.G. Alexander "Treasures from Italy's Great Libraries" ed. by Lorenzo Crinelli Facsimile books: Rohan Master Prayer Book of Michelino da Besozzo King René's Book of Love Visconti Hours Trés Riches Heures de Jean, Duc de Berry Grandes Heures de Jean, Duc de Berry Paradiso Master of Mary of Burgundy Medieval Hunting Scenes (scenes from the Hunting Book of Gaston Phoebus) Illuminated Naples Bible Göttingen Model Book plus a bunch of those inexpensive little softback Braziller ones with the golden covers: Celtic and Anglo-Saxon Painting Golden Age of English Manuscript Painting 1200-1500 Manuscript Painting at the Court of France Golden Age Decorated Letter Late Antique and Early Christian Book Illumination - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I also have "Writing & Illuminating & Lettering" by Edward Johnston, "The Calligrapher's Handbook" ed. by Heather Child, "Il Libro dell'Arte (The Craftsman's Handbook)" by Cennino Cennini, "De Diversis Artibus (On Divers Arts)" by Theophilus and "The Materials and Techniques of Medieval Painting" by Daniel V. Thompson, as well as "Understanding Illuminated Manuscripts : A Guide to Technical Terms" by Michelle P. Brown. I think if anyone was interested in starting a good basic library of books on calligraphy and illumination, I would start them out with de Hamel and Backhouse for exemplars, and Thompson and Child for materials and techniques. Those four alone would give you a really good working start to begin developing a solid understanding of the scribal arts. Göttingen is wonderful in that it is a period scribal manual, but nigh unto impossible to acquire. Took me darn near forever to get a hold of a copy, and once I got it, I read it cover to cover. Great for learning how it was done in period, as it mentions period pigments and methods and whatnot. If you can get a copy, more power to you, but good luck trying to find one! What do the rest of you have? I *know* you have an enviable library, Meisterin Katarina!! Please share with us some of *your* favourites! (She showed me a book last weekend at Crown that has me simply drooling in envy! It's a facsimile book of the ENTIRE Manesse Codex!!! OOoooohhhh!) And the rest of you as well, please share with us what's in your scribal library! Hey, for someone living in as tiny a place as this teensy apartment, I guess I'm not doing too bad. Oh, for a nice house where I can have one whole room to put just a library..............(sigh) If only I could afford such a thing as that............................ Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:02:04 -0400 From: "Sally Burnell" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: THE model book > I jsut got a copy of the Gottengin Model book through abe.com. It was > only > $60.00, and I got it in four days! I was totally amazed and totally > jazzed. > I thought that was pretty cheap (as the other book I really really want > (Three Books of the Potter's Art) I haven't seen for under $175 (and the > others are $200, $300 and $400 *sigh*. Oooooh, lucky you! I paid nearly $100 for mine! But worth every dime, let me tell you! It feels so good to finally have that book in my library! That is one that is NOT leaving this house, no matter what! Too hard come by to lose it to someone borrowing it and forgetting to return it! Good on you that you found a copy so relatively inexpensively! I think that is one book that once owned, few are willing to give up, so that is one reason that I think that one is so particularly difficult to come by, because all of us scribes want copies and those who have them won't part with them! Congrats on acquisition of a copy! For the rest of you, keep checking back to abebooks.com from time to time. You must be patient, but a few times a year, copies of that book *do* actually appear on that rare/used book site. Pays to bookmark it as well as put Göttingen on your "want" list with them. Saradwen Midrealm =================================================================== To unsubscribe from this list, send email to with a blank Subject: line and unsubscribe scribes in the body of the message. Do not include any additional text in the body. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V4 #32 ****************************