From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V2 #173 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Sunday, July 19 1998 Volume 02 : Number 173 In this issue: Re: Fwd: [scribes]: Dirty Tricks [scribes]: Gold leaf for flames? Re: [scribes]: Gold leaf for flames? [none] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 11:41:41 EDT From: EowynA@aol.com Subject: Re: Fwd: [scribes]: Dirty Tricks In a message dated 7/19/98 12:00:15 AM, Aralyn67@aol.com wrote: <> And I've been thinking of carving a set of little leaves from pink erasers, and stamping them with gouache.... Templates for shields are also a wonderful thing. I drew a series of sizes and shapes once, a couple decades ago, cut them out of cardboard and tag board, put several layers of tape along the edges on one side, and I've used these templates ever since. I might never draw a shield from scratch again. Eowyn Amberdrake, Caid ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 09:03:44 -0700 From: John Stracke Subject: [scribes]: Gold leaf for flames? I'm doing a scroll that has a couple of cooking fires in the marginalia, and I thought of a trick to make them seem to glow: put down gold leaf for the tongues of flame, then paint over it in red (I've been told you can paint over real gold; is that right?), leaving gaps for the gold to shine through. Does anybody have an opinion on this? /=================================================================\ |John Francis Stracke | http://www.thibault.org |S/MIME & HTML OK| |francis@thibault.org |===========================================| |Crosston, Mists, West| Any time somebody has a conditioned | |My LAN, my opinions. | response, they *always* think of Pavlov! | \=================================================================/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 09:37:37 -0700 From: kstoner@home.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Gold leaf for flames? My understanding is that this is a technique that was actually used in period for things like Lakes and the Sky. The idea was to put down a layer of SIlver leaf and then place a washes of Blue Purple and Green over them to give the *whatever it is* depth. I believe I read this in [Materials and Techniques, Thompson, Dover] but I am not sure. I would be interested in hearing more about this technique myself... I tried a small pieve using white gold and thinned egg tempera and the results were encouraging if not stunning. I had some VERY good results with a Phoenix that I did using Gold leaf as the ground and using Red Paint to outline and detail it with. I did have to add a little drop of Soap Water to my gouache to make it stick. I understand that people who use Acrylic are supposed to have more problems (or less?) doing this due to the different surface tensions of the substances. The Egg Tempera I did stuck really well but I was unable to do thin lines or small details. The Gouache was able to do the details after thinning, like I said. I used one drop of Ivory Liquid soap in about 1.5 cups of distilled water, then added a drop of this to my gouache at a time until it worked right. I picked up the mistakes with a dry brush and damp cotton swab, since the gouache wasnt ablt to really sink into the gold really quickly, though it did eventually. OK.... Well, that is what *i* know... any others? Cystennin - -- +--------------------------------+ | Kenneth Stoner, San Diego, CA. | | personal:Kstoner@Home.com | | Work: Kstoner@Elgar.com | | ICQ:13558069 | +--------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 16:31:22 -0400 From: "John M. Nielsen" Subject: [none] I am a newcomer to the list and a newcomer to calligraphy. Upon subscribing I was asked to introduce myself: I have just begun to learn the Canadian system and am teaching myself Foundational and Italic. I have "tried" for years to learn calligraphy and am giving it another shot. I work full-time as a Software Manufacturing/Administrative Supervisor and have three grown children and a supportive and wonderful husband. Love all your hints, tips and "secrets". Anna ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V2 #173 *****************************