From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V2 #167 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Friday, July 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 167 In this issue: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade (Bag Eraser) Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade (Bag Eraser) Re: [scribes]: making your own pigments Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade Re: [scribes]: Ink Question Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade (Bag Eraser) Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade (Bag Eraser) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:06:22 -0400 From: Yllaria Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade Message text written by "Dorinda E Courtine-White" >For field work, I pack up almost everything on the above list (except th= e one item I will need that day and the drafting board) into the biggest fishing tackle box I could buy. Then I usually lug it around and never open it.< Dorinda, LOL. You sound like me! I have one of those big, flat wooden art boxes,= which I got at a garage sale for $3. As well as all the stuff I *actuall= y* use, I have every pen nib I've ever tried, half a dozen bottles of different inks that I've tried, all kinds of different brushes, including= the really cheap ones that come in kids' watercolor sets, etc., etc., etc= =2E = And I lug it all around everywhere I go. One of these days (honest!), I'= m going to weed it out and carry around just the stuff that I really use, which will probably all fit in a *much* smaller box. Yllaria of Wildewode Barony of Angels, Kingdom of Caid Dana Theis Glendale, California ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:29:43 PDT From: "I.C. Kessler" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade (Bag Eraser) >Whats a bag eraser???? Aidan, who is up wayyy too late< It's a small elastic bag (like a baby sock) with a fine powder in it. I'm not sure what the powder is but it reminds me of eraser rubbings in texture and smell. I think the powder or it's equivalent is also sold in drafting supplies as "Skum-x" for cleaning dirty drawings. I guess it could be thought of as the modern version of pumice powder but without any grit in it. Daniel Smith sells one as a "cleaning pad". You rub it in a circular motion on the surface of a clean dry drawing to absorb little bits of stray dirt, grease, graphite and crud. Then you dust off the surface with your hand or a big fat horsehair brush. It makes the white of the paper nice and clean. I have used skum-x to de-grease a troublesome spot on a real vellum scroll I'm working on now. Okay? Now go get some sleep. - Iasbel Isabel C Kessler ICQ# 7593252 Per bend vert and counter-ermine, on a bend counterchanged fimbriated, a greyhound courant argent. "I lie in my traces" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:29:00 PDT From: "I.C. Kessler" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade (Bag Eraser) >Whats a bag eraser???? Aidan, who is up wayyy too late< It's a small elastic bag (like a baby sock) with a fine powder in it. I'm not sure what the powder is but it reminds me of eraser rubbings in texture and smell. I think the powder or it's equivalent is also sold in drafting supplies as "Skum-x" for cleaning dirty drawings. I guess it could be thought of as the modern version of pumice powder but without any grit in it. Daniel Smith sells one as a "cleaning pad". You rub it in a circular motion on the surface of a clean dry drawing to absorb little bits of stray dirt, grease, graphite and crud. Then you dust off the surface with your hand or a big fat horsehair brush. It makes the white of the paper nice and clean. I have used skum-x to de-grease a troublesome spot on a real vellum scroll I'm working on now. Okay? Now go get some sleep. - Iasbel Isabel C Kessler ICQ# 7593252 Per bend vert and counter-ermine, on a bend counterchanged fimbriated, a greyhound courant argent. "I lie in my traces" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:53:18 EDT From: FITCHYBEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: making your own pigments In a message dated 98-07-17 04:46:28 EDT, troubadr@acsu.buffalo.edu writes: << I'll describe it if you're interested. -Pete- (Gwer Rychen von Bern) >> Please do Gwer......JimBear ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:53:17 EDT From: FITCHYBEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade In a message dated 98-07-17 04:33:30 EDT, troubadr@acsu.buffalo.edu writes: << Jim, Rotring makes (or at least they used to make) refillable adapters for the Art Pen. You can load them with anything that will flow through the nib. Some colors of gouache would probably work. -Pete- >> the beauty of this list............you throw out a question and someone usually knows-JimBear ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:08:48 -0500 From: gevehard@juno.com (Garret C Bitker) Subject: Re: [scribes]: Ink Question On Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:38:35 -0700 "Thomas Brownwell" writes: >Has anyone ever used Stanton Quills' inks? I have an old bottle of their Sepia >ink, and thought I'd try an experiment adding the sepia to my Green-bottle Sumi >ink to get a medium brown-black color. The next thing I knew, all of the black >pigment from the Sumi had precipitated out and formed blobs in the bottom of my >mixing dish. When I touched the blobs, they felt like tar, stuck to my finger, >left a sticky residue. It washed right off so it was water soluble, but it >really felt like sap. So, any ideas? If I remember the original packaging that >came with the Stanton ink, it said that the recipe used Oak Galls, meaning that >what I have is an Iron Gall ink, not a true Sepia (made from cuttlefish), but >the packaging might have been wrong. Anyway, any ideas what caused the >reaction, and any ideas on the possible composition of my ink-goo? Greetings, I have never seen or heard of Stanton inks, but I do know that Sumi inks contain varnish. My estimate of what happened is that the combination of inks caused the varnish to clump together, it exhibited hydrophobic tendencies, clumping together feeling sticky. Just because something washes off does not necessarily make it water soluble, solubility is much more complicated than that and the sumi varnish is partially soluble in water but not completely. To know more about what you have I would need to test it in a lab. General caution please be careful when combining substances that you don't know the true chemical composition of, dangerous reactions can result. Yours, Gevehard von Baden Garret Bitker Interim Northshield Signet Chemistry & Biology Teacher _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:00:11 -0500 From: Lady Mylisant Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade (Bag Eraser) I.C. Kessler wrote: > > >Whats a bag eraser???? > > Aidan, who is up wayyy too late< > It's a small elastic bag (like a baby sock) with a fine powder in it. > I'm not sure what the powder is but it reminds me of eraser rubbings in > texture and smell. I think the powder or it's equivalent is also sold > in drafting supplies as "Skum-x" for cleaning dirty drawings. I guess > it could be thought of as the modern version of pumice powder but > without any grit in it. Daniel Smith sells one as a "cleaning pad". I'm an interior design major and we use it in drafting. My teachers and most people I know also call it Pounce (I'm pretty sure I remember being told that it *is* eraser shavings that are in the bag) BTW My dad always called it Scum-X, but I think that was the brand name for it at the time. - -- Lady Mylisant de la Croix Barony of Grey Niche, Meridies Purpure, two natural seahorses addorsed on a point pointed argent a crescent inverted sable and on a chief triangular argent a crescent sable. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:18:23 -0400 From: Susan Lynn Arthur Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade (Bag Eraser) At 02:00 PM 7/17/98 -0500, you wrote: >most people I know also call it Pounce (I'm pretty sure I remember being >told that it *is* eraser shavings that are in the bag) BTW My dad always >called it Scum-X, but I think that was the brand name for it at When I was drafting I thought Pounce and Scum-x were the same thing. Apparently they are not. Pounce is used to sort of "seal" paper and help keep ink from feathering. What I have now is in an orange can with a sprinkling opening on top and a pad to spread it around with on the bottom of the can. When you sprinkle it, the substance looks more like baby talcum than anything else. It is invaluable for what it does. Pounce is a brand name; it's Friday afternoon so I can't begin to remember what the stuff is that it's made of.... somebody help me here. (Gum sandarac?? BIG question mark.) The Scum-X (yes, it's a brand name; generically we called them "scum bags". No editorial comments!) does erase very generally. As noted before, it's very good for cleaning up the backgrounds. You'll need to be careful with it around gold leaf, though, since it feels kind of gritty. Lucia =========================== Lady Lucia Bellini Atlantian Scrivener Royal House Flamingbolt Elvegast, Windmasters' Hill ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V2 #167 *****************************