From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V2 #164 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Thursday, July 16 1998 Volume 02 : Number 164 In this issue: [scribes]: Northshield Genealogy - help Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade Re: [scribes]: off topic: Smoke free since Saturday! Re: [scribes]: off topic: Smoke free since Saturday! [scribes]: Re: tools, gum arabic, & Dorinda's new job Re: [scribes]: off topic: Smoke free since Saturday! Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade Re: [scribes]: Supply list Re: [scribes]: making your own pigments Re: [scribes]: supplies part deux [scribes]: Liquid Acrylic [scribes]: Gum Arabic Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade Re: [scribes]: Supply list Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade Re: [scribes]: RE: tools of the trade Re: [scribes]: crow quills Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade Re: [scribes]: Lettering Guide RE: [scribes]: Tools of the trade FW: [scribes]: Tools of the trade [scribes]: Book finds! Re: [scribes]: Supply list Re: [scribes]: Supply list Re: [scribes]: off topic: Smoke free since Saturday! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:00:12 -0500 From: Regina Subject: [scribes]: Northshield Genealogy - help I am looking to contact all the Northshielders as possible so forgive the intrusion. This past weekend at WWV, I meet with Seeker Teague of M.A. and we formally decided to launch our new project - To compile the Northshield Genealogy. We know this is going to be a big undertaking but as we all know, no project is too big in the SCA. We are looking for your help - actually this won't work without your help. I have coded an on-line form located at http://www.northshield.org/genealogy.html to be filled out. This contains all the information we are wishing to compile about each person of the Northshield. Everything is via SCA Names, so please don't submit any real names to us. We also welcome any information/stories via email. If you do not have web access and wish to contribute to this project (you know you do) I can email you a questionaire of all the information necessary. Thank you! Forms will be sent out via the mail to local seneschals but on-line submission are the easiest for us to compile. Eventually this will be used as a Principality fundraiser to benefit the Northshield. Thanks for you help and I hope to read all about you! In Service, Gwen - -- ************************************************** Lady Gwenhwyvar verch Owen ap Morgan (call me Gwen) Shire of Rokeclif, Northshield, Middle Kingdom - -- Relocating to Caer Anterth Mawr in August -- Principality Webminister, Northshield ************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:07:23 -0700 From: John Stracke Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade Varju@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 98-07-15 21:49:42 EDT, pearvert@apk.net writes: > > << Am I the only scribe that has never calligraphed with anything except my > steel nibs or quills? Is there some secret that I'm missing? >> [...] > Honestly I think its a comfort thing. . .you use and are the best with > whatever you started with. Not sure about that--I used a cartridge pen at first, and I certainly wouldn't go back. Francois Thibault - -- /=================================================================\ |John Francis Stracke | http://www.thibault.org |S/MIME & HTML OK| |francis@thibault.org |===========================================| |Crosston, Mists, West| Any time somebody has a conditioned | |My LAN, my opinions. | response, they *always* think of Pavlov! | \=================================================================/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:16:45 -0400 From: "Jessica Wilbur" Subject: Re: [scribes]: off topic: Smoke free since Saturday! Congratulations!! And keep it up! I can't say I know from experience how hard quitting is, but I can definitely applaud you for doing so! =) - --Muireann > Sorry for the off topic post, but I just HAD to tell someone. > > Yay! Thanks to Thomas Bromwell and his ultra patience I have been > smoke free since Satruday and am feeling like I can go on indeffinately. > If anyone is interested, I am using the Zyban/Patch combination therapy > and it is GREAT STUFF. The Zyban is apparently a anti-depressent (used > in a sub-clinical dose) that assists with the Psycho Cravings, and the > patch addresses the Physical cravings... I reccomend it highly so far... > If anyone else is interested in quitting and want to exchange notes, > e-mail me. > > Thomas held my hand from Noon until Midnight on Saturday when our > friend Amanda took over. Sunday was spent sleeping and Sunday night I > didnt even feel a single craving. Monday evening was my only crisis so > far... Work has been somewhat tough... but I have noticed that I am > getting a LOT of work done now that I dont have an excuse to get up and > go outside every hour... > > Anyways, sorry again for the off topic post. > > Cystennin (the clean smelling) Sends, > > Gratefully. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:16:45 -0400 From: "Jessica Wilbur" Subject: Re: [scribes]: off topic: Smoke free since Saturday! Congratulations!! And keep it up! I can't say I know from experience how hard quitting is, but I can definitely applaud you for doing so! =) - --Muireann > Sorry for the off topic post, but I just HAD to tell someone. > > Yay! Thanks to Thomas Bromwell and his ultra patience I have been > smoke free since Satruday and am feeling like I can go on indeffinately. > If anyone is interested, I am using the Zyban/Patch combination therapy > and it is GREAT STUFF. The Zyban is apparently a anti-depressent (used > in a sub-clinical dose) that assists with the Psycho Cravings, and the > patch addresses the Physical cravings... I reccomend it highly so far... > If anyone else is interested in quitting and want to exchange notes, > e-mail me. > > Thomas held my hand from Noon until Midnight on Saturday when our > friend Amanda took over. Sunday was spent sleeping and Sunday night I > didnt even feel a single craving. Monday evening was my only crisis so > far... Work has been somewhat tough... but I have noticed that I am > getting a LOT of work done now that I dont have an excuse to get up and > go outside every hour... > > Anyways, sorry again for the off topic post. > > Cystennin (the clean smelling) Sends, > > Gratefully. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:37:15 EDT From: Ariannawyn@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Re: tools, gum arabic, & Dorinda's new job << At 10:19 PM 7/15/98 -0600, you wrote: >Aidan here. I keep seeing people listing assorted sizes of really tiny >brushes (10/0, 20/0, etc.) on their "must have" list. I am beginning to >suspect that I am some sort of a mutant--the smallest brush I have is a >3/0. >> I used to use those little 10/0 brushes and found them annoying because they didn't hold enough paint. Of course, it was hard getting really fine lines with the 3/0, but years ago Master Morien ap Rhys (who unfortunately decided he didn't have the time for reading this list) clued me in to Aidan's method - buy a 3/0 or larger but pick through them in the store for the brush with a finely curved tip, and it will let you do very thin lines while wicking paint down from the main body of the brush to the fine point. Then you can do whitework, etc. without having to reload the brush so often. BTW, I was glad to see someone suggest using gum arabic on nibs. I did a scroll yesterday using a Hunt #3 nib and black Winsor & Newton gouache mixed with ox gall and gum arabic as my ink. It didn't flow off the nib the way I wanted, so I painted a little gum arabic on the nib everytime I cleaned it and presto! Kind of like WD-40... Congrats/condolences to Mistress Dorinda Courtenay: the August issue of our Kingdom newsletter (which I got early by going to the Kingdom Chronicler's labelling party :-)) announced that she'll be taking the job of AEthelmearc Kingdom Seneschale in September. Now she'll *have* to reduce the size of her tackle box, to make room for all of those seneschale's files! I guess the reason Dorinda hasn't been bringing her baby son Quinn to events lately is that between her scribal tackle box and Cygnus' armor, there wasn't room for Quinn in the car (just kidding...). Arianna of Wynthrope (Karen Kasper) Barony-Marche of the Debatable Lands (Pittsburgh, PA) AEthelmearc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:43:59 -0400 From: Heather Swann Subject: Re: [scribes]: off topic: Smoke free since Saturday! Ditto! As someone who is allergic to smoke, I applaud your efforts. WELL DONE!!! VIVATS APLENTY!!! :) Miri > > Congratulations!! And keep it up! > > I can't say I know from experience how hard quitting is, but I can definitely applaud you for > doing so! =) > > --Muireann > > > Sorry for the off topic post, but I just HAD to tell someone. > > > > Yay! Thanks to Thomas Bromwell and his ultra patience I have been > > smoke free since Satruday and am feeling like I can go on indeffinately. > > If anyone is interested, I am using the Zyban/Patch combination therapy > > and it is GREAT STUFF. The Zyban is apparently a anti-depressent (used > > in a sub-clinical dose) that assists with the Psycho Cravings, and the > > patch addresses the Physical cravings... I reccomend it highly so far... > > If anyone else is interested in quitting and want to exchange notes, > > e-mail me. > > > > Thomas held my hand from Noon until Midnight on Saturday when our > > friend Amanda took over. Sunday was spent sleeping and Sunday night I > > didnt even feel a single craving. Monday evening was my only crisis so > > far... Work has been somewhat tough... but I have noticed that I am > > getting a LOT of work done now that I dont have an excuse to get up and > > go outside every hour... > > > > Anyways, sorry again for the off topic post. > > > > Cystennin (the clean smelling) Sends, > > > > Gratefully. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:53:35 PDT From: "I.C. Kessler" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade I have a wooden 2-bottle wine box I keep my scribe stuff in and take it to events. All this garbage fits in it and it's what I usually work out of at home too: paints/inks: 1) higgins black ink 2) a dark brown ink of unknown origins in an eye dropper bottle 3) a small bottle of acrylic gesso sotile from the gabriel guild 4) a small bottle of adhesive size from houston art & frame inc. 5) an old higgins eye dropper bottle with gum arabic in it 6) a washed-out plastic palatte and lid from a cheap-o watercolor set. I keep small amounts of all my favorite gouache and H2Ocolor colors in it to be reconstituted w/ a drop of water. 7,8,9) small tubes of red, ultramarine and white gouache 10) pan o' sumi gold thingies: 1) plastic ruler w/ english & metric 2) .9mm pencil. My mechanical pencil can beat up your mechanical pencil 3) a variety of small brushes in another gutted cheap-o watercolor box I have some cheap (walmart) 10 aughts but I prefer the better made 3 aughts because they last longer and the points stay sharper 4) an exact-o knife & extra blades 5) a goose quill pen 6,7,8) 3 steel nib pens 1 speedball "hawk quill" 1 speedball c5 that's been sanded down to a smaller size 1 speedball c4 for big fat letters 9) small piece of very fine sandpaper for "sharpening" steel nib pens 10) rotring tikky eraser > 11) kneaded eraser > I erase a lot :) 12) bag eraser > 13) a small compass 14) a red-ink .05 technical pen for making the dots on celtic pieces 15) a small pack of real gold leaf 16) a medium pack of composition (fake)gold leaf 17) a smallish general-purpose burnisher 18) a cardboard tube with a cork stuffed in the end for storing pointy and sharp thingies miscellaneous: super glue band aids a horseshoe nail (?) a zippo lighter a hair tie or some rubber bands There's also some things I use at my desk at home that I don't take with me I use them a lot but can make do without them: A big sturdy work table and good chair A large container of occasionally clean water (for cleaning brushes) A small container of very clean water (for adding to paints) A ruled straight edge which is clamped to the "bottom edge" of my table. I use it in conjunction with a 90° triangle for ruling pages. Two big bright gooseneck lights. I use two because if you use one but have it right up close to your work the heat dries the paint out too fast. Ditto for magnifying lamps. At home I prefer to use a circle and oval template rather than a compass/protracter My MS reproductions That's just for SCA scroll stuff. I think if I had to shave it down to a bare-ass minimum it would be black ink, red ink, a straight edge, the exact-o knife and the quill pen, because it's the most versatile. - Isabel Isabel C Kessler ICQ# 7593252 Per bend vert and counter-ermine, on a bend counterchanged fimbriated, a greyhound courant argent. "I lie in my traces" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:01:31 EDT From: Aralyn67@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Supply list In a message dated 98-07-16 10:13:18 EDT, cebaker@ilstu.edu writes: > > Nope. If you get a really good quality brush that keeps a point, small > lines are possible even with a large size. I like the sable brushes where > the bristles are hand-set into the ferrule, so that they all curve inward > toward the center to make a natural point. > > Ellen > I think this may be the heart of the matter. Many people are frightened by the prices of good brushes. I used those tiny brushes for years because I could get nice fine work done with a brush that cost me under five dollars rather than one that cost over fifteen. Having taken the plunge and bought good brushes I would probably never go back , but it was a long time before I was willing to shell out that much cash for one when I could by three for the same price. But then again I'm hard on my brushes and know that :-) Aralyn Thorgrimsdottir ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:25:26 PDT From: "I.C. Kessler" Subject: Re: [scribes]: making your own pigments *snip* >I'm also interested in if anybody has made their own copperoxid green, what did you do, leave some pieces of copper in lemon-juice or the like? :-) yours truly, Anna de Byxe< Verdigris, typically is made by taking thin sheets of copper and suspending them in an oak box, about 2/3 of the way up so that as much of the surface of the sheets is exposed to air. "The box is then filled 1/3 full of hot vinegar or urine, sealed, and buried in dung for insulation and continued warmth. After two weeks the boxes can be dug up, the plates of copper removed and then scraped to collect the pigment. The verdigris is then washed and ground and is ready for use." It should not be mixed with or painted alongside of lead white or orpiment as they can discolor each other. It can turn bluish if left exposed to air. It's also known as mountain green, spanish green or slate green. Salt green, is like verdigris but the sheets of copper are smeared with honey and salted before being hung in the oak boxes with the pee pee. "It was considered best if this pigment was not washed, as the color might return to the color of plain verdigris, so it was used with the remains or the salt and honey in it whenever possible" Yet another in the long list of reasons not to lick your brushes. I've never made either of these; just passing along the info. From "CA #43" and "A Brief Encyclopedia of the Materials and Techniques of MS Illumination in Europe before 1650 AD" - Isabel Isabel C Kessler ICQ# 7593252 Per bend vert and counter-ermine, on a bend counterchanged fimbriated, a greyhound courant argent. "I lie in my traces" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:32:04 -0700 From: "Carolyn Richardson" Subject: Re: [scribes]: supplies part deux >>Aidan again. I also keep seeing triangles listed. Again, being a mutant, I am beginnning to suspect I am doing things the hard way here....what are the triangles used for, that the ruler(s) and T-squares and graph paper don't cover?<< I don't know about any other type of triangle, Aidan, but a right triangle (one with a right angle) is used for making perfect 90 degree angles. If you've never taken or learned proper drafting techniques you'd probably wouldn't do it this way, but the way I layout my scrolls is I cut the paper at least 1/2 inch larger than I want the finished size all around. Since the paper I normally buy is 30x40, I cut it into 15x20 sheets to get 14x18 finished scrolls. This gives me some scrap to test pens and paints on along one edge. I use my T square to get the paper mostly horizontal on the drawing board - it won't be perfect because most rag papers have a deckled edge so unless I'm using my cut edge getting it even is tough. Once it's taped down I draw where I want the horizontal lines to define the 14x18 size and use the T square for those. Then I put the right triangle so it's resting on top of the T square and mark where the other 2 lines for the outside diameter should be. This means that when I'm done, I'll have a perfectly rectangular piece of paper - it won't be slightly off which can happen if you're measuring from the edges. Likewise, for the rest of the horizontal lines I use the T square, and for the vertical lines I use the Tsquare with the right triangle. This gives me exactly perpendicular lines. Tetchubah of Greenlake, Caid ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:38:14 -0700 From: Carolyn_Richardson@cch.com Subject: [scribes]: Liquid Acrylic I finally remembered to bring in the bottle of that liquid acrylic paint that I mentioned a few days ago. It's made by Rotring and it's called "Artist Color Opaque Acrylic". It says it can be used for airbrush, brush, & rapidograph pens. In small print it says "lightfastness = excellent, Waterproof acrylic for fluid techniques". It comes in a bottle that almost looks like an ink bottle, with a dropper screw on top. It also has some of those metal balls in it to help stir it since it does settle if you let it sit too long. Tetchubah of Greenlake, CAid ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:58:41 -0500 From: randyaf@provide.net (Randy & Melody Asplund-Faith) Subject: [scribes]: Gum Arabic FYI Guma Arabic is traditionally the sap of Acacia bushes, although there are substitutes. It is indeed a binder. It is the sticky glue for raw color in both watercolors and gouaches. I believe it is used in small amounts to form and hold structure in pastels as well. It is a very good idea to add just a small amount to any watercolors or gouaches used in art which will take abraision or compression, such as being stored in stacks or being used in a book. This addition helps keep the inherently weakly bound colors from rubbing off. Watercolors are designed for sticking to a page by soaking into the fibers of absorbant watercolor paper. If you are using a smooth orhighly sized paper the adhesion of these paints is a slight to serious problem. Ranthulfr Asparlundr OL Midrealm Randy Asplund-Faith Science Ficion & Fantasy Illustration 2101 S. Circle Dr. Ann Arbor, MI. 48103 (734) 663-0954 http://www.provide.net/~randyaf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:53:28 EDT From: FITCHYBEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade In a message dated 98-07-16 07:25:33 EDT, Dorinda_E_Courtine- White@notesbridge.cummins.com writes: << mead a deadline. >> how do you get your lines straight with all that mead????? (sorry couldn't resist)-JimBear ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:53:23 EDT From: FITCHYBEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Supply list In a message dated 98-07-16 02:28:12 EDT, ulfaidan@unm.edu writes: << Aidan here. I keep seeing people listing assorted sizes of really tiny brushes (10/0, 20/0, etc.) on their "must have" list. I am beginning to suspect that I am some sort of a mutant--the smallest brush I have is a 3/0. And I do really tiny stuff (sometimes) with no problem. I used to paint D&D miniatures (shhh....) with those really really tiny brushes, but can't imagine using them on scrolls. Hmmmm. Am I the only twisted soul out there painting teeny tiny lines with a great big brush? I know, its the Robert of Coldcastle gene in me.... Ms. Aidan >> Nope, currently I'm paint with 000, too but I may try smaller........it really depends on how you point your brushes. I painted a marriage plate for some friends last week and took my old 000 with me, I traced the arms achievements and supporterd onto the plate and began painting with the glazes, not if you've ever applied ceramic glazes you know they handle on a brush about as well as a pig rollerskates..... I was using some white glaze and had just gotten through with finishing the plate when the lady who owns the shop told me that the thin pencil lined that outlined the supporters would burn away and I should outline the supporters as the white would blend in with the plate......I was very happy to tell her that the pencil line was gray glaze. She asked me where I buy my brushes-JimBear ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:53:26 EDT From: FITCHYBEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade In a message dated 98-07-16 06:14:05 EDT, talis@earthlink.net writes: << Also, how do the cartridge inks hold up with time, exposure to light etc? I guess we'll find out eventually. Talisidhe >> I've been using a Rotring Art Pen for about ten years now and the ink holds up suprisingly well although I am not happy with the density of colour in the coloured ink cartridges from the get go to watery and transparent. Has anyone tried refilling an empty Rotring cartridge with gouache?-JimBear ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:53:27 EDT From: FITCHYBEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: RE: tools of the trade In a message dated 98-07-16 07:07:18 EDT, Dorinda_E_Courtine- White@notesbridge.cummins.com writes: << It can be purchased from Paper & Ink as well as some other places. It comes in a red shade and a browner shade (I can't remember what they call it). The red shade is brighter and nicer. >> It's pale, ruddy, and old gold.....has anyone tried the rest of the sumi colours??-JimBear ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:53:25 EDT From: FITCHYBEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: crow quills In a message dated 98-07-16 03:40:24 EDT, bibksat@Lisen.bibks.uu.se writes: << before I joined this list I'd never heard of crows quills, can you buy them somewhere our do all you folks go lurking around crows nests. And which feather is it that is used? Anna de Byxe >> Lol, actually all the Caidan scribes gathered around the the nest of one very bald crow, or Tetchubah, benevolent godess that she is gave us a bunch at a class I taught a couple of years ago......JimBear ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:53:25 EDT From: FITCHYBEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade In a message dated 98-07-16 03:12:03 EDT, cavanaug@local.net writes: << Another item I find extremely useful is a tiny plastic squeeze bottle that can dispense that one drop of water into my paint. >> Being the terminal klutz that I am, I spend alot of time at the pharmacy picking up meds I usually get some of the syringes that they give to parents to give liquid meds to small kids works great and even marked off in incriments-JimBear ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:53:24 EDT From: FITCHYBEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Lettering Guide In a message dated 98-07-16 02:49:38 EDT, ulfaidan@unm.edu writes: << OK, still feeling dumb and inadequate here...grrrr...just exactly how does one use the (Ames) lettering guide? I never got it, still dont get it.... Ms. Aidan, the eternally clueless >> just use the series of holes on the right side going up at a diagonal it makes lines 1/8" apart :) JimBear who lost the directions years ago and looks at whoever tries to teach him sort of like the RCA dog ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:30:32 -0400 From: "Knott, Deanna" Subject: RE: [scribes]: Tools of the trade Greetings, Mundanely, I am an electronics technician. One time we had to do some rework the involved putting glue into a very tight space. Our company bought syringes, except, they have about a 14 ga. needle. Just right for fitting into used cartridges. And, people don't look at you weird when you ask for them. I got some from work when the rework was over. I have since seen them in hobby/craft stores. Yours, Avelina, Lady Keyes Du Pont Pursuivant Barony of the Bridge East Kingdom http://www.geocities.com/athens/academy/9523 Updated: 7/16/98 Deanna Knott GTE Government Systems (508) 880-1833 > ---------- > From: FITCHYBEAR@aol.com[SMTP:FITCHYBEAR@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday,July 16,1998 1:53 PM > To: cavanaug@local.net; scribes@castle.org > Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade > > In a message dated 98-07-16 03:12:03 EDT, cavanaug@local.net writes: > > << Another item I find extremely useful is a tiny plastic squeeze bottle > that can dispense that one drop of water into my paint. > >> > Being the terminal klutz that I am, I spend alot of time at the pharmacy > picking up meds I usually get some of the syringes that they give to > parents > to give liquid meds to small kids works great and even marked off in > incriments-JimBear > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:24:22 -0400 From: "Knott, Deanna" Subject: FW: [scribes]: Tools of the trade I really did mean to send this to the _whole_ list the first time. Doh!! Avelina Deanna Knott GTE Government Systems (508) 880-1833 > ---------- > From: Knott, Deanna > Sent: Thursday,July 16,1998 2:23 PM > To: 'FITCHYBEAR@aol.com' > Subject: RE: [scribes]: Tools of the trade > > Greetings! > > JimBear asked: > > >>Has anyone > tried refilling an empty Rotring cartridge with gouache?-JimBear > > Nope, BUT, I have refilled them with Higgins black magic and been very > happy. Unless of course you count the time I was using my Rotring pen > with Rotring ink and didn't realize it until I filled the empty cartridge > with Higgins and continued writing. Only to find out just how much > blacker the Higgins ink really is. That was exciting. Ok, maybe not. > > Yours, > Avelina, Lady Keyes > Du Pont Pursuivant > Barony of the Bridge > East Kingdom > > http://www.geocities.com/athens/academy/9523 > Updated: 7/16/98 > > > Deanna Knott > GTE Government Systems > (508) 880-1833 > > ---------- > From: FITCHYBEAR@aol.com[SMTP:FITCHYBEAR@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday,July 16,1998 1:53 PM > To: talis@earthlink.net; scribes@castle.org; pearvert@apk.net > Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade > > In a message dated 98-07-16 06:14:05 EDT, talis@earthlink.net writes: > > << Also, how do the cartridge inks hold up > with time, exposure to light etc? I guess we'll find out eventually. > > Talisidhe >> > > I've been using a Rotring Art Pen for about ten years now and the ink > holds > up suprisingly well although I am not happy with the density of colour in > the > coloured ink cartridges from the get go to watery and transparent. Has > anyone > tried refilling an empty Rotring cartridge with gouache?-JimBear > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:16:25 -0700 From: "Thomas Brownwell" Subject: [scribes]: Book finds! Greetings unto the list. I am a collector of books which describe or otherwise elucidate the subject of Medieval paleography, including the subjects of Calligraphy and the evolution of the Latin alphabet, and the subjects of Abbreviation and Punctuation. I would like to tell you about two books I just received, and two I have already. The books I just received are: The Elements of Abbreviation in Medieval Latin Paleography, by A. Cappelli. This is a small (Octavo size -- 4"x5") 52 page pamphlet that is densly written and packed with lots of abbreviation info. Cost = $5. A Handbook of Greek and Latin Paleography, by E. M. Thompson. This is a facsimile reprint, 350 pgs paperback, of the original 1901 publication. It includes tons of pictures of scripts, information about the evolution of the Latin alphabet, and a few very useful side-by-side charts of the progression of the individual letterforms. While the reproductions of the hands aren't great (100 year old technology!), they are adequate to get one started, and most importantly he includes a transliteration of the photos into typeset text. Cost = $20. The other two books I have are: Latin Paleography, by Bischoff. This book goes deeply into abbreviations and their origins, and lists them by time period (as best as possible) which is very useful for me. The author's scholarship is very good, and this is a recent publication so the typeset is much better than Thompson's. Cost = $25? Pause and Effect, by M. B. Parkes. This is a wonderful book that outlines the entire history of punctuation in Western literature, starting with the early Celtic scribes' work and ending with English printed books. Not only does he describe the progression of various punctuation conventions, but at the end of the book he includes a ton of full-page photographs (all black & white) illustrating all of the examples. The most fascinating part of the Appendix is the section where he takes a piece of Classical literature by Cicero, and shows 6 different examples of the text, starting with a Roman copy on papyrus dated to the time of Christ and goes all the way up to a copy printed in Geneva in 1758. He does the same with a text by St. Augustine, from a surviving 5th C Coptic (African) copy of De Civitate Dei to an English translation printed in London in 1610, and a text by Boethius, from a 9th C copy written in France to a typeset copy from Leiden in 1656. All told there are 74 plates at the back of the book. It's fascinating. Unfortunately, Cost = $75 :-( As far as I know, all four books are available from http://Amazon.com/ Happy reading! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Douglas Brownell AKA Thomas Brownwell, Calligrapher, brownwell@home.com Dancer,Silversmith,Singer,Cobbler,... San Diego, CA Barony of Calafia, Caid The 4 elements = good physics stuff:: Or,a fountain, a chief rayonny gules. Goutte enough herald:: (Fieldless) A goutte barry wavy azure and argent. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:48:55 EDT From: FITCHYBEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Supply list In a message dated 98-07-16 09:40:05 EDT, meistern@netusa1.net writes: << And I don't think you are some sort of a mutant... just an individual!!! ;-) >> She is too!-JimBear ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:06:00 -0400 From: Heather Swann Subject: Re: [scribes]: Supply list > In a message dated 98-07-16 09:40:05 EDT, meistern@netusa1.net writes: > > << And I don't think you > are some sort of a mutant... just an individual!!! ;-) > >> > She is too!-JimBear Hey, we're ALL individual mutants here, buddy! We're SCRIBES after all..... ;) Miri ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:02:38 -0400 From: Sally Burnell Subject: Re: [scribes]: off topic: Smoke free since Saturday! At 02:01 PM 7/15/98 -0700, you wrote: > Sorry for the off topic post, but I just HAD to tell someone. > > Yay! Thanks to Thomas Bromwell and his ultra patience I have been >smoke free since Satruday and am feeling like I can go on indeffinately. As we say here in the Midrealm, HOOBAH!! I have never been a smoker but my mother was a heavy smoker all through my childhood and now suffers from smoking induced asthma. She is a slave to tons of meds and inhalers and all kinds of nasty stuff that would never have been necessary had she either quit earlier or just plain not smoked at all, but then, she also had to raise four children alone at a time when single parenting was very uncommon and she had the added stress of finding out she was pregnant with my brother just weeks after Daddy died (car accident), meaning she would raise not three kids, but four - alone. She quit smoking as a result of the asthma and has stayed smoke free ever since, but the damage is done and I have frequent upper respiratory infections, I suspect as a result of a childhood spent inhaling second hand smoke. So you are also sparing those around you from a similar fate. > Thomas held my hand from Noon until Midnight on Saturday when our >friend Amanda took over. Sunday was spent sleeping and Sunday night I >didnt even feel a single craving. Monday evening was my only crisis so >far... Work has been somewhat tough... but I have noticed that I am >getting a LOT of work done now that I dont have an excuse to get up and >go outside every hour... Betcha you can taste your food better, are becoming more aware of the way things smell and can breathe better, too. Smokers frequently have diminshed senses of smell as a result of their habit, which in turn diminishes one's sense of taste. As for work - see? You are also sparing your co-workers from having to work harder to pick up any slack by yourself getting more work done. I apologise, BTW, if I sound so militant anti-smoking, but I finally have no more smokers in my department at work so no more busting my butt to try to pick up the slack from people going outside every hour for "just a cigarette" and then staying out there for 15, 20 minutes or longer while the rest of us non-smokers are only accorded two 15 minute breaks a day - IF you are lucky enough to have the time to take them. Which is a rarity. So here's to your newfound "smoke free" existence!!! May it continue always. And you know that in cyberspace you have the well wishes of many of us on this list. HOOBAH!!!! Lady Saradwen Ariandalen of the Marche of Gwyntarian, Midrealm, who sends best wishes and congratulations on this accomplishment!! Keep going............. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V2 #164 *****************************