From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V2 #162 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Thursday, July 16 1998 Volume 02 : Number 162 In this issue: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade [scribes]: Re: scribes digest V2 #161 Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade (humor) Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade [scribes]: off topic: Smoke free since Saturday! Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade [scribes]: Re: Tools of the trade Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade [scribes]: Supply list Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade [scribes]: Lettering Guide [scribes]: supplies part deux ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:32:32 -0500 (EST) From: Sara Harless Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade WOW!! You all have such long lists! My list is so short: 1. An illuminator 2. My pen with ink in it 3. Something to write on: paper, bristol, vellum (sigh), board, rock... 4. Straight edge 5. Something to make lines with: scribe, stylus, pencil, silverpoint... 6. A relatively flat surface to serve as a desk/drafting table; I have used my slipcased Kells book for a desk Evaine the scribe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:49:13 -0400 From: Donna Kenton Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade At 12:56 PM 7/15/98 -0400, Dorinda E Courtine-White wrote: > > >OK... that's one I'm not familiar with. What's a draftsman's erasing >template? > >Inquiring scribes want to know! =) > >--Muireann > > >A draftsman's erasing template (sometimes called an erasing shield) is a >thin metal card, a little smaller than an index card, with various shaped >cut outs. The cutouts usually include circles, squares, wedges and long >thin lines. That thing is for ERASING?!? Silly me, I always thought it was for drawing things... Rosalind ____________________________________________________ Baroness Rosalind De Witte / Donna Kenton donna@dabbler.com * http://www.dabbler.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:08:02 +0100 From: David Columbus Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade >On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 Varju@aol.com wrote: > >> pen and ink (right now a, dare I say it, a Schaeffer pen, still practicing >> with a dip pen) > >I started with a Schaeffer pen with three nibs. My Laurel still uses one >for those last minute scrolls right before court. Now I use Rotring >Artpens. I have been declared hopeless in the dip pen arena. > >Evaine, techno-scribe Am I the only scribe that has never calligraphed with anything except my steel nibs or quills? Is there some secret that I'm missing? I'm beginning to feel left out here with all the cartridge pen discussion..... Christofano ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:57:21 PDT From: "Elyse Boucher" Subject: [scribes]: Re: scribes digest V2 #161 Greetings from the humble scribe Merouda Pendray. :) (Or is that the crabby hive? Or Bumbling Scribbler? I dunno--it is something) ;;) I, too, am a scribal equipment junkie, having purchased many things in the hope that they would be helpful (translation: I couln't contain myself, the trinket jumped up and screamed "BUY ME!" and my money flew out of my wallet and I had to justify it SOMEHOW....). Some have been, some were wastes of money. Without a doubt, though, my BEST tools are my books. And the things I use most are: Round brushes, range 10/0 to 7 Flat brushes ranging from about 1/4 inch to 2 inches* Shells, pop bottle caps, multi-day medicine dose boxes, and ice-cube trays for mini-cubes as pallets. the medicine dose boxes are especially nice as they have covers. Mechanical pencils and "woodless" pencils--closer to period use, but it just doesn't fit in the ol' Ames lettering guide. Bone Folder An assortment of rulers, pparticularly a 50 cent woooden ruler with a raised metal lip Circle, square, oval templates, french curves, drafting compass. Homemade heamaetite burnisher. Glassine, typing papers for assistance work and vellum, watercolor paper, papyrus, Bristol board, rice paper for supports ruling pen, crow quill, tech pen, metal nibs, quills. pigments, gum arabic, egg yolk, glair, gouache, occasionally watercolors, gesso, gum ammoniac, gold,ox gall, brush cleaner, stick ink, liquid ink, and other materials of this nature. Window (I don't have a light box ;) Plastic, art gum, dry clean pad, and ink erasers--different erasers for different needs. Rotring portable drafting board--I love the lock-down t-square, and I never have to look for aappropriate surfaces. Sharpening stone for nibs, grinding stone for stick inks, motar and pestle, or glass plate and roller for grinding pigments. Water well (i.e., has a splatter proof cover) and brush stand, bottles with eyedroppers. I suppose that's enough for now. :) Take care, friends. :) Your servant, Merouda Merouda Pendray: Caer Anterth, Northshield, Middle. (Elyse C. Boucher: West Allis, Wisconsin, USA) Per pale sable and Or, a gryphon segreant countorney within an orle of feathers counterchanged. "Semper ubi sub ubi" http://members.tripod.com/~Pendray/index.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:13:29 EDT From: SCOTSWMMN@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade And then there's my trusty Ames lettering guide.... couldn't do without it (along with a lot of the stuff already on the list). Margaret Cameron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:28:12 -0400 From: "Kenton and Dorinda White" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade (humor) - ---------- > > WOW!! You all have such long lists! > > My list is so short: > > 1. An illuminator [snip rest of list] > Evaine the scribe Yes, but can you fit you illuminator into a tackle box and take him to events? Dorinda (from Cygnus's account) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:22:12 EDT From: FITCHYBEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade In a message dated 98-07-15 16:37:39 EDT, Dorinda_E_Courtine- White@notesbridge.cummins.com writes: << For field work, I pack up almost everything on the above list (except the one item I will need that day and the drafting board) into the biggest fishing tackle box I could buy. Then I usually lug it around and never open it. Maybe I should learn to be a minimalist. Dorinda Courtenay >> well if you all want to tell what we need or what we actually carry in our tackle boxes...there's some real wierd stuff in there-JimBear ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:22:13 EDT From: FITCHYBEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade In a message dated 98-07-15 13:21:00 EDT, meistern@netusa1.net writes: << A couple people keep mentioning they use a .005 mechanical pencil to do their preliminary work. Let me say this about that... a set size of pencil lead will foil you every time. Look into getting one of the drafting type mechanical pencils that you can put different degrees of hardness leads into. Then get yourself a GOOD hand sharpener >> I would get one of those pencils 'cept I hate them.....my .5 gives me what I want in the roughest sense then I embellish the hell out of it with paint and brush :) But with the new to(3x magnafying lamp) I want smaller (like .25) so I can do the ivy leafs 3 to a 1/4" square am begining to think I'm sick. Actually I want to do some grisaille work in the size that Pucelle did-JimBear ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:01:06 -0700 From: Kenneth Stoner Subject: [scribes]: off topic: Smoke free since Saturday! Sorry for the off topic post, but I just HAD to tell someone. Yay! Thanks to Thomas Bromwell and his ultra patience I have been smoke free since Satruday and am feeling like I can go on indeffinately. If anyone is interested, I am using the Zyban/Patch combination therapy and it is GREAT STUFF. The Zyban is apparently a anti-depressent (used in a sub-clinical dose) that assists with the Psycho Cravings, and the patch addresses the Physical cravings... I reccomend it highly so far... If anyone else is interested in quitting and want to exchange notes, e-mail me. Thomas held my hand from Noon until Midnight on Saturday when our friend Amanda took over. Sunday was spent sleeping and Sunday night I didnt even feel a single craving. Monday evening was my only crisis so far... Work has been somewhat tough... but I have noticed that I am getting a LOT of work done now that I dont have an excuse to get up and go outside every hour... Anyways, sorry again for the off topic post. Cystennin (the clean smelling) Sends, Gratefully. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:16:01 -0400 From: Susan Lynn Arthur Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade At 03:49 PM 7/15/98 -0400, you wrote: I am the >scribal equivilant one of those ladies who carries the big purse everywhere >and jumps up when someone needs a can opener or a 1983 calendar. I like your style, girl!! Since I was a drafter in a previous existence, I have all the professional stuff-- pens, triangles, erasing shields, etc. And I use 'em, too. And even an electric eraser. Don't laugh! It will take out a spot too small even for the erasing shield. >my "basic" tools include: >- drafting tape I also have hair tape (the pink stuff from the drugstore) and the tape that's like the post-it notes-- for really delicate paper-- like note cards, where you can't hide the corners! >- a computer generated line guide for practice Could you explain this one? As in, how do you generate it, and get the lines at the right spacing? >- a french curve that I can't seem to use without making a mess They never have the lip for inking; I just tear lots of strips of drafting tape and stack them up on the back, maybe 4 or 5 layers of tape in several spots. That gives it enough lift to clear the ink. >- a circle template, a computer template and a small protractor Computer template? Could you explain that one, too? >- a practice run at wording with all the names spelled right. And all the words *in* it! Believe me, you don't want to *have* to add mice stealing the word! ;> >- toothpicks. I can't live without toothpicks And how do you use them? Sounds like I have lots of neat tricks to learn. > >Maybe I should learn to be a minimalist. Naah, that just means that there's more stuff you need that you don't have, sort of like the one color paint that's not in your palettes. Lucia =========================== Lady Lucia Bellini Atlantian Scrivener Royal House Flamingbolt Elvegast, Windmasters' Hill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:34:45 -0400 From: Sally Burnell Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade What I have been using: Speedball C-series nibs, although given my druthers I'd just as soon use Brause nibs as I find them superior to the Speedballs. I plan to order some soon from a catalogue I just got in the mail (Paper and Ink Books). I started out several decades ago using the Osmiroid cartridge pens but the big disadvantage to those was the fact that they use water soluable ink. Not good. A good mapping nib for outlining and detail work in both my calligraphy and illumination. Good permanent black ink. I use Higgins at the moment as it is what I have in the box. An Ames lettering guide - valuable little tool and cheap! A good t-square A drawing board, although I have a good table made of poplar and walnut that my brother made for me as a housewarming gift when I moved into this tiny apartment nearly 14 years ago. I also have a good lamp that a SCAdian friend gave me as a housewarming gift. At the moment the lamp and table are in storage due to the increasing lack of space in this apartment, a hazard of living in the same place for this long............ a palette, to mix paints on Windsor and Newton Sceptre Gold paintbrushes, which is their sable/synthetic blend. You could go all out and buy the W & N Series 7 brushes, but they are VERY expensive, but worth it. Pure sable!! A technical pencil for drafting my designs out with A set of French curves to help me with more curvy lines. I still struggle occasionally with curved lines........ A set of circle templates - comes in really handy!! Distilled water - always use that and not tap water. Distilled water is better because tap water is too full of chemicals that can affect your paint. Windsor and Newton Designer's Gouache - OK, so it ain't period pigment, but great in a pinch! Ultramarine Blue, Cadmium Red deep, Zinc White for shading, Permanent white for whitework, there are a few others I know one should have but at the moment I can't think of other colors. These are the ones I use for the styles I work in, which are French and English Gothic of the early 14th c. Arches 140 lb. hot press - probably the best paper I have ever used. The stuff can take abuse like nobody's business! I did a scroll recently that was laden with disaster - smeared ink, dropped a paintbrush of green paint across the top border, misspelled some calligraphy - just to name a few of the small disasters that the scroll met with in production. Fatigue was my enemy most of the way but I managed to clean up the bad spots to where the recipient (a really close friend, too, to make it even more frantic!!) could not even tell anything ever went wrong!! Artist's tape - I tape my scroll to my drawing board to work so it won't slide around and this tape will not leave sticky spots in the corners of the scroll, nor will it tear at the paper when you (carefully) remove it. Good stuff! I think that is about it for now and if I think of anything else, I'll post it along as I remember it. The hour being a bit late right now, I am just tired enough for my memory to be a bit foggy, but these are the basic tools that I use at the moment................ Lady Saradwen Ariandalen Marche of Gwyntarian Midrealm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:21:48 -0400 (EDT) From: hollis@slic.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade Dear Scribes, I'll add my list to this discussion, and make a single point. I've heard a number of you mention .005 or .003 pencils. I hope you're not talking about millimeters! I have some standard "0.5" pencil lead, which is .5x60 mm or .020 inches diameter. It's quite thin, and breaks easily. I'm not certain how you could make a lead reliably strong that's 1/4 the diameter. If this is, in fact, possible, please let me know where I can buy one; I'd love it. My list: 1) Pentel Quicker-Clicker 0.5 mm mechanical pencil, with 900 little containers of extra lead. 2) Speedball Italic Nibs C-6 through C-1 3) Higgins Non-Waterproof Calligraphy Black Ink 4) Small T-square 5) Blue, red, yellow, black, and white Winsor & Newton gouache (Which I'm not good with) 6) Two sets of 18-color Niji watercolors. 7) At least 25 tubes of Winsor & Newton Cotman watercolors. 8) 2 rulers (transparent plastic and cork-backed steel) 9) 2 Hunt Crowquills 10) Sheaffer No-Nonsense Calligraphy Pen Set (used rarely) 11) Pseudo-light table (In fact, the living room table with an incandescent light underneath) 12) 4 X-acto knives with at least 15 (different!) blades. What can I say, I'm a Boy Scout. 13) Bristol and Bristol Vellum paper 14) Many, many toothpicks for mixing and moving paint 15) Two paint palettes 16) Eye dropper for adding water to watercolors 17) ArtBin to put (some of) it in. 18) China saucer for holding wet and/or dirty items before washing 19) Small dish for water 20) Large cat for messing up the work and distracting you. 21) Kneaded rubber erasers, artgums, plastic/technical erasers 22) Chinese watercolors 23) Sumi black ink stick 24) Sumi grinding stone 25) Sumi brush 26) Foil Leafing (tm) for cheap wannabe guilders like me 27) Printed guides for Celtic Knotwork from Reed's site 28) A few acrylics, cringe... Including that damn acrylic gold and silver gouache. *mutter* 29) Many, many brushes... Ranging from an 18 (LARGE) to a 10/0 (small). To this I would like to add: 1) An adjustable square 2) A light table 3) A drafting board 4) Another cat 5) Drafting shield 6) Real gold/silver gouache 7) Mitchell, Brause, Tape and Rond nibs 8) One of those ungodly and tiny small mechanical pencils 9) A skilled eye Have fun... Please direct any/all flames to the trash bin of your choice. Hollis - ---------------------------- Hollis Easter hollis@slic.com http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/2436/ "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world: indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead, anthropologist - ---------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:59:31 EDT From: FITCHYBEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade In a message dated 98-07-15 20:16:53 EDT, evaine@glenmar.com writes: << WOW!! You all have such long lists! My list is so short: >> yes well #1 on your list comes with everything on our lists! :) JimBear ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:50:24 -0700 From: Aslyn Crystyn Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade - --------------3DD2B3D1915E150140F2B8C3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Genevieve de Courtanvaux wrote: > As for my list: > 1) somebody to do the calligraphy for me (I don't callig.) > 2) light table > 3) book containing the design and/or photocopies of the piece (I don't draw > that well either) > 4) a range of sized black ink pens (.005 and up) > 5) good paper > 6) and last my trusty T-Square ruler > > As for my list (*basic*): 1. Light table 2. favorite paper (Strathmore 2 ply smooth vellum) 3. Venus 4H pencil - 4H (you can slice, dice and Julienne with the edge this pencil keeps! : ) !!) 4. Koh-I-Nor double edged right angle (indispensible - worth every penny) 5. non-reproducible blue graph paper 6. Sandarac 7. Windsor Newton Cottman brushes with imperfections (hooks) 8. white plastic trays with six wells 9. Gouache (especially Schminke Goldpearl - S.O.S. - Save Our Schminke!!!!!) 10. Container Store dropper bottles 11. Rapidograph 12. Gum Arabic 13. Distilled water 14. Paper Towels 15. Sink with soap nearby (no, 14 and 15 are not interdependent) 16. Scrap paper for excess strokes before calliging. 17. Green template of circles 18. Compass 19. Toothpicks 20. Quilter's Ruler Yes, my workspace is a war zone (just ask my Laurel). Well...that's the basics. My cat is trying to type, so...I'd better get off so he can type. Bye. nnnmnmjnmjnmjb (that was the cat) Aslyn Crystyn Steppes, Ansteorra - --------------3DD2B3D1915E150140F2B8C3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Genevieve de Courtanvaux wrote:
As for my list:
1) somebody to do the calligraphy for me (I don't callig.)
2) light table
3) book containing the design and/or photocopies of the piece (I don't draw
that well either)
4) a range of sized black ink pens (.005 and up)
5) good paper
6) and last my trusty T-Square ruler

As for my list (*basic*):   

1.    Light table
2.    favorite paper (Strathmore 2 ply smooth vellum)
3.    Venus 4H pencil  - - 4H (you can slice, dice and Julienne with the edge this pencil keeps! : ) !!)
4.    Koh-I-Nor double edged right angle (indispensible - worth every penny)
5.    non-reproducible blue graph paper
6.    Sandarac
7.    Windsor Newton Cottman brushes with imperfections (hooks)
8.    white plastic trays with six wells
9.    Gouache (especially Schminke Goldpearl - S.O.S. - Save Our Schminke!!!!!)
10.    Container Store dropper bottles
11.    Rapidograph
12.    Gum Arabic
13.    Distilled water
14.    Paper Towels
15.    Sink with soap nearby (no, 14 and 15 are not interdependent)
16.    Scrap paper for excess strokes before calliging.
17.    Green template of circles
18.    Compass
19.    Toothpicks
20.    Quilter's Ruler

Yes, my workspace is a war zone (just ask my Laurel).

Well...that's the basics.  My cat is trying to type, so...I'd better get off so he can type.

Bye.
nnnmnmjnmjnmjb (that was the cat)

Aslyn Crystyn
Steppes, Ansteorra
 
    - --------------3DD2B3D1915E150140F2B8C3-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:31:16 EDT From: EowynA@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Re: Tools of the trade In a message dated 7/15/98 6:49:42 PM, pearvert@apk.net wrote: <> No, Christofano, you are not alone. I started with Speedball steel nibs over a quarter century ago (sounds more impressive that way, doesn't is?), and have expanded to other kinds, plus quills and reed pens. I've played with a cartridge pen, but it always seemed more complicated than I was interested in, and then it leaked, too. So I've never done a finished piece with one. I don't think I even own one, but there might be one rusting in the back of the tools bookcase...... It probably makes sense to have one available for Royalty to sign with, though. Eowyn Amberdrake, Caid ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:36:40 -0400 From: Susan Lynn Arthur Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade At 07:08 PM 7/15/98 +0100, you wrote: > >Am I the only scribe that has never calligraphed with anything except my >steel nibs or quills? Is there some secret that I'm missing? I'm >beginning to feel left out here with all the cartridge pen discussion..... Nope, I've always used a dip pen. I bought a cartridge pen, but the darn thing leaked all over me and was a general pain, so I gave it up after about a day and a half. I like my dip pens. I found some of the (modernly) old-fashioned ones with cork grips and bought about 4 of them because I love them so. I have some quills but haven't really worked with them yet. Unfortunately, it seems to be a good idea to have cartridge pens for non-scribes to use to sign scrolls at events; I don't even have one working at this point. And if you don't take what you need for them to use, you are at the mercy of whoever there *does* have a pen of whatever sort. Bummer. Lucia =========================== Lady Lucia Bellini Atlantian Scrivener Royal House Flamingbolt Elvegast, Windmasters' Hill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:16:45 -0500 From: randyaf@provide.net (Randy & Melody Asplund-Faith) Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade >Am I the only scribe that has never calligraphed with anything except my >steel nibs or quills? Is there some secret that I'm missing? I'm >beginning to feel left out here with all the cartridge pen discussion..... > >Christofano Nope! I hate those nasty, clogging, dirty, techno-feders. Give me the bird. Ranthulfr Randy Asplund-Faith Science Ficion & Fantasy Illustration 2101 S. Circle Dr. Ann Arbor, MI. 48103 (734) 663-0954 http://www.provide.net/~randyaf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:19:52 -0600 From: Holly and Jake Gassel Subject: [scribes]: Supply list Aidan here. I keep seeing people listing assorted sizes of really tiny brushes (10/0, 20/0, etc.) on their "must have" list. I am beginning to suspect that I am some sort of a mutant--the smallest brush I have is a 3/0. And I do really tiny stuff (sometimes) with no problem. I used to paint D&D miniatures (shhh....) with those really really tiny brushes, but can't imagine using them on scrolls. Hmmmm. Am I the only twisted soul out there painting teeny tiny lines with a great big brush? I know, its the Robert of Coldcastle gene in me.... Ms. Aidan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:16:24 -0600 From: Holly and Jake Gassel Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade Sara Harless wrote: > > On Wed, 15 Jul 1998 Varju@aol.com wrote: > > > pen and ink (right now a, dare I say it, a Schaeffer pen, still practicing > > with a dip pen) > > I started with a Schaeffer pen with three nibs. My Laurel still uses one > for those last minute scrolls right before court. Now I use Rotring > Artpens. I have been declared hopeless in the dip pen arena. > > Evaine, techno-scribe Ditto here. I still occasionally get the "Gee I should try a dip pen" bug, so I try it. Usually clears up in a day or so. I just dont have the patience to dip and callig, dip and callig. I want to get into the zen of it and do it all at one blast, and dipping interrupts the flow, so to speak. I also use tech pens and W&N gouache, a light table, graph paper, and all manner of dirty tricks. Sigh. Hopeless.... Ms. Aidan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:42:29 +1000 From: Steve Roylance Subject: Re: [scribes]: Tools of the trade as for my list (rather long as I have been at this for over 15 years and I tend to keep things even if they did not work originally) A> The basic tin of tools 1 ink (five bottles) the one I use for callig is almost empty 2 ink-wells (actually 19mm plumbing fittings - threaded plugs) 3 Brause nibs (many 0.5 & 0.75 mm and others to 5 mm) 4 White eraser 5 nib holders (8 of them so I can hand them out at class) 6 crow quill nibs 7 packs of spare leads for the mechanical pencils (0.3 mm & 0.5 mm, which I don't use) 8 mechanical pencils of 0.3 & 0.5 mm 9 haematite pebbles from the "New Age" shop, as good as any perpared burnisher and a whole lot cheaper 10 glass tube, for directed breathing on gum for gilding 11 some 1200 grit sand-paper for polishing vellum and cleaning dip-nibs 12 erasing shield 13 blotting paper 14 more 0.5 mm Brause nibs, on a card B> The next lot of things I use 1 Staedler rolling ruler (good, but not good enough, the left end was about 0.5 mm off after 400 mm) an extreme test, but very visible. 2 Linex template of circles 3 Masterbow circle drawing kit 4 shell gold 5 gold leaf (transfer 23 ct) 6 collection of paint brushes (1 to 20/0) with one 5/0 labelled "shell" 7 scalpel handle 8 tube of Windsor & Newton Ultramarine Gouache 9 more packs of spare leads for the mechanical pencils 10 a stack of cards 150 mm * 220 mm for placing on the work in progress so only the active area is exposed 11 the rest of the tubes of gouache 12 the scalpel blades (disposable nos. 10) 13 gum ammoniac files 14 set square 15 another shell gold 16 another packet of brause nibs 17 this box needs dusting C> In a separate pile 1 pallete with a selecting of gouaches and mixes in it 2 another of 1 3 another of 1 4 another of 1 5 more cards for covering the work in progress 6 pieces of vellum from trimming hides down to squares 7 vellum & paper If I went looking I would find some more anyhow*! as ever Thorfinn, Lochac, West Melbourne, Australia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:53:01 -0600 From: Holly and Jake Gassel Subject: [scribes]: Lettering Guide OK, still feeling dumb and inadequate here...grrrr...just exactly how does one use the (Ames) lettering guide? I never got it, still dont get it.... Ms. Aidan, the eternally clueless ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:21:26 -0600 From: Holly and Jake Gassel Subject: [scribes]: supplies part deux Aidan again. I also keep seeing triangles listed. Again, being a mutant, I am beginnning to suspect I am doing things the hard way here....what are the triangles used for, that the ruler(s) and T-squares and graph paper don't cover? Ms. Aidan ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V2 #162 *****************************