From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V2 #1449 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Monday, March 6 2000 Volume 02 : Number 1449 In this issue: [scribes]: articles on zoomorphs Re: [scribes]: New tinkering with period stuff Re: [scribes]: New tinkering with period stuff Re: [scribes]: New tinkering with period stuff Re: [scribes]: New tinkering with period stuff Re: [scribes]: Resume? was Re: Laurels/Politics/etc. Re: [scribes]: Resume? was Re: Laurels/Politics/etc. Re: [scribes]: New tinkering with period stuff ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 08:04:32 PST From: "erik welch" Subject: [scribes]: articles on zoomorphs This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_20a92c3d_13fe75b4$49e0d32 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed My apologies to the group, this should be sent to Lady Eowyn, but her email seems to be broken. In a message dated 3/2/00 6:07:49 PM, icbr3ak3r@hotmail.com writes: << I want an article from #83. Specifically the one on insular zoomorphs.>> You said: > Was that "Eadfrith's Avimorphs", "Aviforms from Kells", "Dogs of the >Durham Gospels Fragment", "Sketching the Cats of Kells", or "The >Dogs of >the Lichfield Gospels"? A combined version of several of >them appeared in >the Proceedings of the Caidan Known World Heraldic >Symposium as "Twistie >Beasties" and "Ornithimorphs." What I'm trying to say, is that I am the author of those, and copies >are available from me if you cannot find the old TI or the >Symposium Proceedings to order. Eowyn Amberdrake, Caid I don't know which article it was, it was referenced on a website as being essential. I would appreciate reprints/copies from any and all of the above, whatever you are willing to send. It would be easiest for me to get these from you (single source for everything) but if it is a pain I will call the TI office... What do you want in exchange? I assume postage, cost of copies, etc. Is there anything else? Erik Lundgren of Bearhaven BTW Lady Eowyn, your account at aol seems to not accept email from external sources. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------=_NextPart_000_20a92c3d_13fe75b4$49e0d32 Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; rly-yg05.mx.aol.com Arrival-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:14:24 -0500 (EST) Final-Recipient: RFC822; EowynA@aol.com Action: failed Status: 2.0.0 Remote-MTA: DNS; air-yg05.mail.aol.com Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 250 OK Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:14:53 -0500 (EST) - ------=_NextPart_000_20a92c3d_13fe75b4$49e0d32 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f206.hotmail.com [216.32.181.206]) by rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (v69.17) with ESMTP; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 16:14:24 -0500 Received: (qmail 1727 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2000 21:14:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20000303211423.1726.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.214.65.253 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 13:14:23 PST X-Originating-IP: [206.214.65.253] Reply-To: ewelch@taos.com From: "erik welch" To: EowynA@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: 'nuther book-type question Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 13:14:23 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >In a message dated 3/2/00 6:07:49 PM, icbr3ak3r@hotmail.com writes: ><< I want an article from #83. Specifically the one on insular zoomorphs.>> You said: >Was that "Eadfrith's Avimorphs", "Aviforms from Kells", "Dogs of the > >Durham Gospels Fragment", "Sketching the Cats of Kells", or "The >Dogs of >the Lichfield Gospels"? A combined version of several of >them appeared in >the Proceedings of the Caidan Known World Heraldic >Symposium as "Twistie >Beasties" and "Ornithimorphs." > >What I'm trying to say, is that I am the author of those, and copies >are >available from me if you cannot find the old TI or the >Symposium >Proceedings to order. >Eowyn Amberdrake, Caid I don't know which article it was, it was referenced on a website as being essential. I would appreciate reprints/copies from any and all of the above, whatever you are willing to send. It would be easiest for me to get these from you (single source for everything) but if it is a pain I will call the TI office... What do you want in exchange? I assume postage, cost of copies, etc. Is there anything else? (1st born is out, wife would kill me ) Erik Welch 5693 Makati Cir #H San Jose, CA 95123 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - ------=_NextPart_000_20a92c3d_13fe75b4$49e0d32-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 11:06:03 -0500 From: Dorinda E Courtine-White Subject: Re: [scribes]: New tinkering with period stuff One thing you might share with us or think about - from whom did you purchase this vellum? I don't have a ton of experience, but I have found that you might get two different answers depending on whether you have stuff from Rick Cavasin or not. When we got vellum from Rick, we just unrolled it, picked a side, lightly pounced it, and started to work. When we got vellum from another source we had to sand it and pounce it and fuss with it and swear at it. (Aengus and Eibhlin got the other half of that piece - do you remember it??) Not all vellum was created eaqually! Dorinda, AEthelmearc No, please post info on preparing vellum for use to the whole list. Yes, I've taken the classes on it, but reinforcement may actually get me to do something with this (rather expensive) piece of parchment I got last Pennsic... Graidhne On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, Judith Kirk wrote: snip > > I have some pounce and some real parchment. How do I prepare it for > use? It appears to have a smooth and a rough side already, it seems > it's ready for me. :-) > snip > > M. Siobhan > Midrealm > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:33:47 EST From: RenScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: New tinkering with period stuff In a message dated 3/6/00 12:13:07 PM, Dorinda.E.Courtine-White@cummins.com writes: >One thing you might share with us or think about - from whom did you purchase >this vellum? I don't have a ton of experience, but I have found that you >might get two different answers depending on whether you have stuff from Rick >Cavasin or not. > >When we got vellum from Rick, we just unrolled it, picked a side, lightly >pounced it, and started to work. > >When we got vellum from another source we had to sand it and pounce it >and fuss with it and swear at it. (Aengus and Eibhlin got the other half of that >piece - do you remember it??) > >Not all vellum was created eaqually! > >Dorinda, AEthelmearc Do I remember the vellum? ;-) Sure, I even have a scrap off the edge to show scribes what not to buy. :-O I already sent this off to Siobhan, but since there seems to be such an interest on the list, I'll post about vellum prep. I was really scared the first couple of times I worked on it. Like gilding, the more you work with it, the more comfortable you become. Please keep in mind that there are a lot of different schools of thought on vellum prep - the same as most other aspects of scribal arts. This is just how I do it. YMMV ****************** If you purchased vellum from Rick Cavasin, more likely than not, it needs little preparation before using. Usually flattening it and an application of gum sandarac is all that is needed. If you are using just one side, use the "hair" or outer side of the vellum. You may be able to see more hair follicles on this side, or more veining on the bottom, or "flesh" side. You can use both sides if you wish, but be aware that the flesh side may produce more inconsistent colors and running of colors along the edges of the connecting tissues. Pounce raises the nap of the vellum and removes any surface grease (from the skin itself or from fingers touching the vellum). Liberally sprinkle pounce over the surface of the vellum. Using a scrap of vellum, rub the pounce in a circular motion. The vellum will appear to get whiter and more translucent (like frosted glass) Try to get an even consistency to the surface, then brush off the powder. Other vellum may need a bit more preparation (more sanding than just surface preparation). Use a manufactured pumice stone and rub in a circular motion to get an even colored and textured surface (frosted glass appearance). Don't use real pumice stone, it may make deep scratches in the surface of the vellum. Dr. Scholl's is the brand that was recommended to me and that's what I use. After using the pumice stone, apply gum sandarac powder and brush off the residue. I use a passive method to flatten vellum. I place it on a counter, cover it with a heavy board and place weight on top of it. It can take a month or more to get flat. I have previously tried a quicker method of pinning vellum to a frame and spritzing it with water, it works, but if the vellum was poorly prepared and overstretched to begin with it may shrink to 1/2 the original size. I don't use a frame of any kind, although that was the method I was originally taught. I much prefer to work with a piece of trimmed and prepared vellum the same as if it were a piece of paper. I leave you to your endeavors and wish you a most pleasant day. THLady Eibhlin ni Chaoimh AEthelmearc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:26:10 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz" Subject: Re: [scribes]: New tinkering with period stuff Eibhlin and the list: I agree with you about Rick Cavasin's vellum... the finest I have had the good fortune to own. And, I agree with you about which side to initially work with. But, I tend to not agree with you about the use of pumice stone. In my opinion, if it is used, it needs to be used only on the really poorly prepared hides, as most other hides need only a little light sanding with 350 grit and 400 grit sandpaper (the black stuff). I took a class from a gentleman a couple years ago at Pennsic who used the pumice stone technique, and I didn't like the way my already almost prepared piece of vellum looked after (in my opinion) abusing it with the pumice stone. I have had plenty success with using just the sandpaper, and a little gum sandarac in a silk bag to prepare vellum. I, personally, have never used pounce, so have no experience with it (sorry, Siobhan, I meant to tell you to use gum sandarac after the sanding when I wrote to you privately earlier). From what I have been led to understand, both pounce and gum sandarac work about the same... they not only protect your writing fluid from oils, but also will form a little "dam" around the writing fluid to make for crisper letter forms. You have to clean out your nib a bit more often, as it will tend to clock the nib slit a bit, but is worth it when it prevents bleeding or feathering of ink. You can brush it off with a feather or a soft clean brush, or snap the vellum from behind with your fingers... don't brush with your hand, you might put oils right back onto the vellum. When using spam vellum, I have found that you HAVE to either pounce or gum sandarac it... I didn't on one piece and my ink was very feathery and blurry... the ones I have powdered with gum sandarac have nice crisp calligraphy on them. I liked your system for flattening vellum... but be careful, I thought I had flattened some in a couple heavy books for a sufficient amount of time and found that it still wanted to roll up on me. KHvS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:10:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Cecelia M. Hughes" Subject: Re: [scribes]: New tinkering with period stuff Got it from the St. Gabriel's people at Pennsic. Graidhne On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, Dorinda E Courtine-White wrote: > > > > > One thing you might share with us or think about - from whom did you purchase > this vellum? I don't have a ton of experience, but I have found that you might > get two different answers depending on whether you have stuff from Rick Cavasin > or not. > > When we got vellum from Rick, we just unrolled it, picked a side, lightly > pounced it, and started to work. > > When we got vellum from another source we had to sand it and pounce it and fuss > with it and swear at it. (Aengus and Eibhlin got the other half of that piece - > do you remember it??) > > Not all vellum was created eaqually! > > > Dorinda, AEthelmearc > > > > > > > > > No, please post info on preparing vellum for use to the whole list. Yes, > I've taken the classes on it, but reinforcement may actually get me to do > something with this (rather expensive) piece of parchment I got last > Pennsic... > > Graidhne > > On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, Judith Kirk wrote: > > snip > > > > I have some pounce and some real parchment. How do I prepare it for > > use? It appears to have a smooth and a rough side already, it seems > > it's ready for me. :-) > > > snip > > > > M. Siobhan > > Midrealm > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 16:23:24 -0700 From: Mary Hysong Subject: Re: [scribes]: Resume? was Re: Laurels/Politics/etc. > > > [This is good rason to make up a resume...] > > A resume. . .hmm. . .how many of you have such a thing, and how is it > organized? Do folks chide you for being self-promoting? Is this just > for scribework, or do you include other things? This sounds like a grand > idea. . .suggestions? > > This discussion reminded me of a couple of times over the years when first my Pelican and later a close Laurel friend asked me to write down some info about me, for them; they wanted to know how long I'd been a member of the SCA, what offices I'd held, what events I'd autocratted, what regalia projects I'd been involved in, what awards I already held, et. I know _now_ why they wanted it, but didn't know/think about it the first time I was asked. mairi, Atenveldt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 16:39:20 -0700 From: Mary Hysong Subject: Re: [scribes]: Resume? was Re: Laurels/Politics/etc. john j cash wrote: > > Dear folks, > Having gone through several stages of resume in pursuit of professional > employment, I know how hard it can be to frame your experiences for an > employer. It must be yet another step to framing them for Laurels in the > SCA. Usually, people writing real-world resumes can follow models or > books. How should someone writing one for the SCA proceed? What's a good > model? -- johannes v.n. > > WE sorta had a lot of this discussion at a Laurel circle this past Sun. Several people from opposite ends of the kingdom were brought up by their local Laurels. Unfortunately most of the rest of us didn't know them. We all suggested that at the next circle the Laurels bring pictures of these folks because a lot of times we know the person, and have seen their work but don't know/remember their name or sometimes people have the same first name or look similar and we get confused. There had been a Laurel's PRize Tourney on Sat. {this is really just a display by non Laurels for the Laurels to look at/discuss the work with the person, et. The Laurels often give small tokens to the artisans as encouragement} Anyway, one lady had a notebook full of photos and color copies of her past scroll work, along with some simple business cards printed with her contact number. Very nice display, great idea. Mairi, ATenveldt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:45:51 EST From: Halfevil23@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: New tinkering with period stuff Has anyone tapped with drafting tape or pins onto a drawing board to flatten vellum. Wouldn't by the time you finished the peice be flattened by a significant amount of tension? Regards, Trystan Who wished he never rolled up a peice of velum he has!:) >> ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V2 #1449 ******************************