From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V2 #1429 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Monday, February 28 2000 Volume 02 : Number 1429 In this issue: Re: [scribes]: VERY LONG Can you be a Laurel without playing politics [scribes]: photocopy displays Re: [scribes]: VERY LONG Can you be a Laurel without playing politics Re: [scribes]: photocopy displays Re: [scribes]: Re: scribing for money Re: [scribes]: Strained Glass Scroll ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:44:21 -0500 From: Dorinda E Courtine-White Subject: Re: [scribes]: VERY LONG Can you be a Laurel without playing politics Mistress Aralyn asks a few times in her following letter (snipped though it may be) that some past Royalty confirm or deny some of her statements, so I will do so. . . >I do believe that you can become a peer without being political. I firmly agree with this. In fact, sometimes being political can hurt more than it helps. But I agree with her later comments that one must be known. >The basic gist is if the peers have little access to a candidate they are likely to >abstain on a poll. Now here's a theory of >mine, too many abstains is almost as bad as a negative poll, as the end >result won't usually be elevation, because not being known to the Orders is >almost as bad as making enemies, although much easier to over come. Perhaps >some of the Royal peers on this list could back me up on this or not. For the most part I would agree with this - at least in large numbers. If the Royalty receive say 25 responses on a survey or poll and a candidate has 2 votes for abstain, then that is not a big deal. Some people just don't run into each other often. (Where as 2 votes of "no" with appropriate commentary are much more serious). If however, there are 8 or 10 votes to abstain, it is assumed that the candidate must not be active enough for a Peerage or they must not have been at it very long or they would have been noticed. This will tend to delay an elevation. > If it's a friend you think is being >overlooked, write, write, write. They won't even likely get on a poll if no >one recommends them and especially not if they tend to be quiet and >unassuming. And when you write, write both to the crown *and* the clerk or Principal of the Order. Don't let your friend fall though the cracks. And send a picture of the candidate and their work. That way the members of the peerage circle will not be able to say "Lord John of Doe? Never heard of him" and forget about him. They can pass around his picture and say "oh yeah - I saw him in the scribes room last week but I didn't talk to him." or "I don't know him but his work looks great - let's go seek him out". >Another not totally political reason (although I'm not naive enough to >suggest it plays no consideration) someone's elevation may be delayed is if >the candidate pool is very large. Royalty seem to tend not to want to give >out peerages in mass numbers for fear of devaluing them (another assumption >based on observation I'm hoping the royal peers will confirm or deny) and if >you've gotten upwards of thirty or more nominations, even if They use the >polling to eliminates half the candidates They still aren't likely to do 10 >or 15 Laurels (or knight or pelicans or possibly not even 15 total bestowed >peerages) and will have to make so hard choices. To be honest, I think the Peers also limit this a bit as well as the Crown. I think everyone wants to see the standards kept high for a Peerage so it will always mean something special. Certainly in a Kingdom the size of AEthelmearc, it is unlikely that 15 people would be truly ready for a Laurel at one time, but you (and the Crown) can deal with that if it happens! I certainly wouldn't want anyone to hold back a worthy candidate just to keep from exceeding some quota, although it is polite to not elevate *everyone* who is even close to being ready and leave your Heirs with nothing to do! > The last thing I will touch on is truly knowing if a person is honestly >being overlooked or really needs to polish some rough edges. This is a tough one to accept, but it is critical for people on this list. I see people on this list look at someone's web site and write back "oh what lovely work - if you are not a Laurel, you certainly should be!" This makes me cringe! On this list, we do not know if that scroll is part of a large body of work or the only thing the artist ever did. We don't know how they treat people in their Kingdom. Can they work with the other Peers? Do they teach? Do they meet the requirements for peerage as outlined in Corpora? Of all the many requirements to be a Peer, how many can we judge electronically? By writing publicly that the person is overdue for elevation, all we do is feed any seeds of discontent they may already have about why they haven't been elevated! If you think someone on this list should receive an award - please do not write to the list - write to the crown of their kingdom. Well, that is my input for the morning. Thank you for listening. Dorinda, AEthelmearc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:30:41 EST From: RenScribe@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: photocopy displays **snipped from a missive to the AEthelmearc list** >Are photographs and/or color photocopies good-enough substitutes for >the real thing for a Pennsic exhibit, or would that obscure too much >detail and/or mess with the color too much? Can scribes share their >work without endangering the originals? Any comment????? Eibhlin ni Chaoimh AEthelmearc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:37:34 -0500 From: Timothy A Whitcomb Subject: Re: [scribes]: VERY LONG Can you be a Laurel without playing politics > > > For the most part I would agree with this - at least in large > numbers. If the > Royalty receive say 25 responses on a survey or poll and a candidate > has 2 votes > for abstain, then that is not a big deal. Some people just don't > run into each > other often. (Where as 2 votes of "no" with appropriate commentary > are much > more serious). If however, there are 8 or 10 votes to abstain, it > is assumed > that the candidate must not be active enough for a Peerage or they > must not have > been at it very long or they would have been noticed. This will > tend to delay > an elevation. [As a Peer, if I might expand, or perhaps clarify, on this. I would not assume that the candidate doesn't get around enough, unless it is so stated. I can only speak for myself, but I have difficulty doing the running around at events that Laurels seem to need to do to see the candidates works or to meet them, or smooze with the Laurels involved. I go to a lot of events, and I merchant at them. This ties me up at my booth. That and i have certain mobility issues, which keeps me pretty much in one spot. I rarely get to meet candidates. The point of this is that the candidate not getting seen might not be the candidates fault. What are the Peers themselves doing? Are they at the right events? And if so, are they actually getting to see what is going on with them? Personally, I really can't vote on many candidates. Not in good concious..] > SNIPPED > And when you write, write both to the crown *and* the clerk or > Principal of the > Order. Don't let your friend fall though the cracks. And send a > picture of the > candidate and their work. That way the members of the peerage > circle will not > be able to say "Lord John of Doe? Never heard of him" and forget > about him. > They can pass around his picture and say "oh yeah - I saw him in the > scribes > room last week but I didn't talk to him." or "I don't know him but > his work > looks great - let's go seek him out". [This is good rason to make up a resume...] > > SNIPPED> > > Dorinda, AEthelmearc > Master Hroar Stormgengr MidRealm ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:49:48 -0500 From: Timothy A Whitcomb Subject: Re: [scribes]: photocopy displays > **snipped from a missive to the AEthelmearc list** > > >Are photographs and/or color photocopies good-enough substitutes > for > >the real thing for a Pennsic exhibit, or would that obscure too > much > >detail and/or mess with the color too much? Can scribes share > their > >work without endangering the originals? > > Any comment????? > > Eibhlin ni Chaoimh > AEthelmearc Given the potential for really nasty weather at pennsic, I think it only makes sense. However, I sure would make sure, darn sure, it was the best possible reproduction I could manage. But then, that only makes sense too. 8-) If one couldn't do that, and were still afraid of damge, then just skip the exhibit. It is not worth the damage to either the original, or to the artists reputation. Hroar ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:55:03 EST From: RenScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: scribing for money In a message dated 2/27/00 8:10:27 PM, capt_malachias@juno.com writes: >> Our Prince and Princess here (or at least, the Privy Purse) *buy* award >> tokens, but of course, scrolls are free. > >You bring up a very interesting point - as far as I know, the artisans >who make awards tokens are paid. Why should they be paid when scribes >are not? Shouldn't they be expected to donate time, energy, and >materials? In AEthelmearc award medallions are given as gifts to the Crown the same as scrolls. I know many skilled artisans who donate such tokens. I at least have my scrolls shown in court, my name announced and printed in the kingdom newsletter. The folks who make the medallions are not as fortunate. Many put in just as much time, effort and money in service to the kingdom as some scribes, but get *none* of the recognition. Eibhlin ni Chaoimh AEthelmearc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:17:33 -0600 (CST) From: "Pixel, Queen of Cats" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Strained Glass Scroll If you wanted to try painting it on glass, there are a number of paints available to paint on glass to simulate stained glass. Try the kind made by Pebeo--you paint your glass, let it dry, and bake it. If their glass paint is anything like their ceramics paint, it won't come off. It's available at Michael's, and Dick Blick has it in their catalog. Perhaps a happy medium between scroll and stained glass. [Incidentally the ceramics stuff, called Porcelaine, makes lovely fake enamel on pewter mounts and buttons.] Margaret FitzWilliam of Kent College of Tor Aerie Nordskogen, Northshield, Midrealm On Sat, 26 Feb 2000, Jennet wrote: > Greetings to the List > > For something completely different. > > I am exploring the possibilities of doing a Peerage scroll with a > stained glass window design. In my research and books I have I do > not remember ever seeing any examples of stain glass. > > Anyone have any suggestions of books or any examples online? > > Even if I do not find any documentation, I will still do it > anyway as it is the Laurel's specialty. And it would be neat as > well. > > So, my next question is, how would I paint it up so it will have > the look and feel of period stain glass? Can this effect be > achieved with gouache or do I need to go with regular > watercolor. Don't suggest acrylic, won't go there :) > > Suggestions? Helpful hints? rotton fruit? > > thanks > > Jennet of Tewkesbury > Kingdom of Meridies > Principality of Gleann Abhann > Shire Wyrmgeist > ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V2 #1429 ******************************