From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V2 #1359 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Thursday, February 3 2000 Volume 02 : Number 1359 In this issue: Re: [scribes]: a pergamenata question Re: [scribes]: a pergamenata question Re: [scribes]: a pergamenata question Re: [scribes]: Gottingen Model Book on-line Re: [scribes]: vellum substitute Re: [scribes]: search for references Re: [scribes]: Gottingen Model Book on-line [scribes]: [Fwd: viking sites] [scribes]: Re: scribes digest V2 #1356 Re: [scribes]: Gottingen Model Book on-line [scribes]: Gotting Model Book site updated. Re: [scribes]: Gottingen Model Book on-line RE: [scribes]: Gottingen Model Book on-line ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 18:41:58 -0700 From: Shawn Legere Dunham Subject: Re: [scribes]: a pergamenata question I've played with it before, it's rather waxy and stiff to my liking. Took the ink forever to dry. I don't recalll how I covered up the mistake, paint I think. Bri ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 17:39:04 -0800 From: "Teresa McCartney" Subject: Re: [scribes]: a pergamenata question A little trick that I have found that works well when working on *paper* that I think may translate over to the Pergamenta well, is to write the new letter *over* the old letter, then, after it's dry, carefully cut (lightly) around the "new letter shape", and the scrape off only the "old letter" bits that are not covered by "new letter" bits, using a curved blade exacto knife, and scraping *away* from the "new letter". Then erase and burnish as usual. This trick was taught to me years ago by Mistress Morgan Athenry, and has certainly stood the test of time. Teresa le Marchant Crosston, Mists, West - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally Burnell" To: "Pixel, Queen of Cats" ; Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [scribes]: a pergamenata question > At 10:15 AM 02/02/2000 -0600, Pixel, Queen of Cats wrote: > >So, for those of you who are using Pergamenata, how do you correct a > >mistake? I had a severely dyslexic moment the other night, and it occurred > >to me that I had no idea what to do about it once the ink dried. I tried > >scraping it off, and although it came off beautifully, any ink that I > >tried to lay down in that spot feathered horribly into a blot. Even if I > >burnished it first. What am I doing wrong? I'm using Higgins Eternal, if > >that makes any difference. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 23:04:23 EST From: MiLadyGbr@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: a pergamenata question In a message dated 2/2/00 7:44:35 PM Central Standard Time, teresa.mccartney2@gte.net writes: << A little trick that I have found that works well when working on *paper* that I think may translate over to the Pergamenta well, is to write the new letter *over* the old letter, then, after it's dry, carefully cut (lightly) around the "new letter shape", and the scrape off only the "old letter" bits that are not covered by "new letter" bits, using a curved blade exacto knife, and scraping *away* from the "new letter". Then erase and burnish as usual. This trick was taught to me years ago by Mistress Morgan Athenry, and has certainly stood the test of time. Teresa le Marchant Crosston, Mists, West >> YES!!! This is exactly how I correct when I use Pergamenata. I have tried it the other way, scraping and then rewriting, but it never turns out well, even with treating the scraped off area with whatever I have around to put size back into the surface. You have to be patient and wait for the ink to dry though. Otherwise you get terrible smears. Good luck! Gabrielle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 22:47:12 -0500 From: "Jennifer" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Gottingen Model Book on-line >At 11:30 PM 02/01/2000 -0800, Kenneth Stoner wrote: PS: Is there interest in a CD of this? I can do one at ~$5.00 a piece to >>cover shipping... > >Cystennin, Yes! I would be interested too! Genevieve Ealdormere ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 22:49:37 -0500 From: "Jennifer" Subject: Re: [scribes]: vellum substitute >You can get Pergamenata from places like Pen and Ink Books (P.O. Box 35, 3 >North Second Street, Woodsboro, MD 21798, 301-898-7991) and any other fine >retailer of art supplies. Any Canadian scribes know of an art supplier that carries Pergamenata? Any Western New Yorkers know of one close to the border? thanks, Genevieve Ealdormere - ------ Jennifer Thorold, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 00:07:38 -0500 From: "Jennifer" Subject: Re: [scribes]: search for references >I am especially looking for information on: >Atelier/Guild structure at the time- training, technical aspects, mass production and division of labour Mark, I have found the book "The World of the Florentine Renaissance Artist - Projects and Patrons, Workshop and Art Market" by Martin Wackernagel, translated by Alison Luchs Princeton University Press, to be fairly helpful in researching art guilds and ateliers in the 15th & 16th centuries. ISBN 0-691-03966-6 ISBN 0-691-10117-5 (pbk.) I picked my copy up at a used book store for next to nothing I'm afraid. If you can't find it in a bookstore, try your local library. Good luck, Genevieve Ealdormere - --------------- Jennifer Johnson Ontario - -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer To: scribes@castle.org Date: February 2, 2000 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [scribes]: vellum substitute > > >>You can get Pergamenata from places like Pen and Ink Books (P.O. Box 35, 3 >>North Second Street, Woodsboro, MD 21798, 301-898-7991) and any other fine >>retailer of art supplies. > >Any Canadian scribes know of an art supplier that carries Pergamenata? > >Any Western New Yorkers know of one close to the border? > >thanks, >Genevieve >Ealdormere >------ >Jennifer >Thorold, Ontario > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 00:32:03 EST From: Aralyn67@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Gottingen Model Book on-line > PS: Is there interest in a CD of this? I can do one at ~$5.00 a piece to > >cover shipping... Cystennin, If you do them I'm in for three, maybe four copies. Aralyn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 22:44:53 -0700 From: Holly Cochran Subject: [scribes]: [Fwd: viking sites] OK - here are the sites again, with no retyping by me. Better luck this time! Aidan jorunn@swbell.net wrote: > Here ya go: > http://www.hi.is/HI/Ranns/SAM/main.html#man a couple of pictures > > http://www.superhighway.is/MegaStore/Vendors/hid-islenska-bokmenntafelag/tea > ser.html books to buy > > http://www.hi.is/HI/Ranns/SAM/nokkur.html#stj pictures, text in Icelandic > > If you need the others I sent, let me know. > > J- > > At 02:08 PM 2/2/00 -0700, you wrote: > >Hey there. could you re-send the viking stuff sites (the last batch with > >all the icelandic sites)....I seem to have written down the url's wrong, > >and now I can't find them. Grrrr.... > > > >Aidan > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 23:40:16 CST From: "Suzanne Powell" Subject: [scribes]: Re: scribes digest V2 #1356 Greetings Cystennin! I'd love a copy of the CD! How to get it? Lady Suzanne de la Ferte' Scribe and Illuminator Stargate, Ansteorra >Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:30:05 -0800 >From: "Kenneth Stoner" >Subject: [scribes]: Gottingen Model Book on-line > >*someone* has placed a copy of the Gottingen Model Book on-line. :) If you >figure out who it is, please don't yell at him about Copyright... this book >is getting harder and harder to find and since the author is apparently >deceased, it doesn't look like University of Missouri Press is going to >publish it again any time soon... Make a copy for yourself and promise >yourself you will buy a hardcopy when the next printing becomes available. >:) > >The directory location is http://www.geocities.com/gottingen_1999/index.htm > >The thumbnail images link to larger, higher quality gifs. The gifs are >about >200-300K a piece... Which on a 28.8 K connection will take on average 10-30 >seconds to download each one. > >The images were originally scanned at 150 DPI, which is the limit of the >resolution at which these photographs were printed in the book. > >They are about 2X size in my browse window, but should look 100% sized in >an >imaging window or word. > >There is also a translation page containing the English translation. > >This site is *apparently* still under construction... So be patient. :) > >Cystennin > >PS: Is there interest in a CD of this? I can do one at ~$5.00 a piece to >cover shipping... > >------------------------------ > >End of scribes digest V2 #1356 >****************************** > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 23:01:56 -0700 From: Holly Cochran Subject: Re: [scribes]: Gottingen Model Book on-line Ooh ooh me me me!!!!!!! Aidan Aralyn67@aol.com wrote: > > PS: Is there interest in a CD of this? I can do one at ~$5.00 a piece to > > >cover shipping... > > Cystennin, > > If you do them I'm in for three, maybe four copies. > > Aralyn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 22:06:21 -0800 From: "Kenneth Stoner" Subject: [scribes]: Gotting Model Book site updated. I *just happened to notice* ;-) that a lot of new content has been added. Photo clips to the translation were added and the translation was cut into 12 easily downloaded pieces with pictures. The site seems to download much faster than before. Cystennin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 22:34:04 -0800 (PST) From: Peter Steiner Subject: Re: [scribes]: Gottingen Model Book on-line Hi Aralyn! To anyone who's interested, I've saved all the large pictures from the Gottingen book as .jpg files - and I've saved the English translation in the original HTML format, in Wordpad format, and as a plain text file.  Altogether these make a tidy 2.7megabyte .zip file.  I'll be happy to send the files individually to anyone whose ISP frowns on such large file transfers.  I'll also be happy to shorten filenames or save the pictures in another format for anyone whose computer can't handle the above (anyone with an old Macintosh?)  Just let me know.   Ask and ye shall receive. :-) Aralyn, if you want copies on CD for our local guild, let me know and I'll bring them to fight practice.  Cost should be under a dollar apiece, if you're willing to settle for a cardstock envelope.  Floppy disks would cost even less (two disks should be sufficient) - but of course then I wouldn't have the fun of playing with my new CD burner.  :-) - -Peter Gwer Rychen von Bern - Lapidary Artist - Barony of the Rhyderrich Hael - Aethelmearc - petersdiner@yahoo.com P.S.  Does anyone know the details surrounding the Gottingen book? (When was it written, and by whom?) ]Aralyn67@aol.com wrote: ] ]Cystennin, ] ]If you do them I'm in for three, maybe four copies. ] ]Aralyn ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 23:02:25 -0800 From: "Kenneth Stoner" Subject: RE: [scribes]: Gottingen Model Book on-line Yeah... *someone* is updating the page, even as we speak, with this information... I will let you know as soon as I happen to notice that the page has been updated. :) Is this joke getting tired? Cystennin - -----Original Message----- From: owner-scribes@castle.org [mailto:owner-scribes@castle.org]On Behalf Of Peter Steiner Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 10:34 PM To: scribes@castle.org Subject: Re: [scribes]: Gottingen Model Book on-line Hi Aralyn! To anyone who's interested, I've saved all the large pictures from the Gottingen book as .jpg files - and I've saved the English translation in the original HTML format, in Wordpad format, and as a plain text file. Altogether these make a tidy 2.7megabyte .zip file. I'll be happy to send the files individually to anyone whose ISP frowns on such large file transfers. I'll also be happy to shorten filenames or save the pictures in another format for anyone whose computer can't handle the above (anyone with an old Macintosh?) Just let me know. Ask and ye shall receive. :-) Aralyn, if you want copies on CD for our local guild, let me know and I'll bring them to fight practice. Cost should be under a dollar apiece, if you're willing to settle for a cardstock envelope. Floppy disks would cost even less (two disks should be sufficient) - but of course then I wouldn't have the fun of playing with my new CD burner. :-) - -Peter Gwer Rychen von Bern - Lapidary Artist - Barony of the Rhyderrich Hael - Aethelmearc - petersdiner@yahoo.com P.S. Does anyone know the details surrounding the Gottingen book? (When was it written, and by whom?) ]Aralyn67@aol.com wrote: ] ]Cystennin, ] ]If you do them I'm in for three, maybe four copies. ] ]Aralyn ] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V2 #1359 ******************************