From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V2 #1329 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Saturday, January 22 2000 Volume 02 : Number 1329 In this issue: [scribes]: Apprentice Questions Re: [scribes]: Apprentice Questions Re: [scribes]: calligraphy tools [scribes]: The book on the Russian calligraphy (at last....) RE: [scribes]: Hands, or lack thereof Re: [scribes]: 6th-7th century Gaul RE: [scribes]: Hands, or lack thereof ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 14:36:42 -0400 From: Lori Kapush Subject: [scribes]: Apprentice Questions Mistress LLyrydwyl Merewenna and all, Oh no dear Lady....I'm a long way from becoming a laurel... I would like to formally apprectice to someone who could guide my hand so to speak. I'm looking for someone patient with a good sense of humour. I love to laugh - it's one of the best things life has to offer. I would like to be given assignments, at least in the beginning and gradually grow to the point where I'm confident in spreading my wings. As I posted previously, I live a long way from any peers in C&I and would like to find someone open to the long-distance student/teacher relationship that some of you have talked about. I have been dabbling with calligraphy for 20 years but have only just begun illumination. The combination is wonderful and is one which I would like to improve. The work I've seen since joining SCA almost a year ago has re-kindled my flame and has inspired me to try different techniques. It is both inspiring and humbling all at the same time. I don't know if I will ever be that good, but I know I can be better than I am now. And if one day, some day, that leads to being laureled myself it would be a tremendous honour to stand among those of you who are already there. But, if not that's ok too. The journey is as important as the destination. I've rambled on again long enough. Malin Faierwood called Malin the Madd Lori Kapush Secretary Dept. of Languages/Women's Studies Program lskapush@mist.lakeheadu.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 14:31:38 EST From: BRNDALSTON@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Apprentice Questions In a message dated 1/22/00 1:41:30 PM, lskapush@mist.lakeheadu.ca writes: <> Good Lady, I just wanted to let you know that there are alternatives to becoming an formal apprentice, if you should choose to consider them. The one that immediately comes to my mind is to join a scriptorium. When I first came to Atlantia about 10 years ago, I joined the local scriptorium that was just forming. There were two ladies here who shared a great deal of knowledge with a few of us who were just starting out in calligraphy and illumination. They taught me a great deal of what I know today, and gave me the tools to do my own research and develop my own style. Now I am running that same scriptorium and those two ladies have since moved on and are teaching in other areas while I am teaching the new people what skills I have learned. (By the way, none of us are Laurals!) The scriptorium is wonderful because we each have our strong points and compliment eachother. We each do research in different areas and teach eachother what we learn. And we work together on some scrolls and individually on some scrolls. It has been a wonderful experience and one much better suited to my personality and mode of learning. On the other hand, if there are no others in your local area who are interested in making scrolls, then a scriptorium may be very hard indeed for you to start. In such case a long distance apprenticeship may be just the thing for you. I just wanted to mention that it is not the only way to go learning about our craft and I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors. Lady Brandwyn Alston of the Rift ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 16:42:36 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz" Subject: Re: [scribes]: calligraphy tools Herr Gevehard: Thank you for the correction... I sometimes type out off the top of my head, and don't always get the terminology correct... I knew what I wanted to say, just not quite how to say it correctly. KHvS - ----- Original Message ----- From: Garret Bitker To: Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [scribes]: calligraphy tools > Greetings All, > At 10:56 PM 1/21/00 -0500, Helen Schultz wrote: > A note -- don't use an ink with varnish > >in it (i.e., a permanent ink) in a cartridge pen unless you can be absolutely > >sure of a tight seal or plan to clean it immediately afterwards. > Not wanting to sound overly critical and while the advice is very good, the > terminology is incorrect, the varnish is not used to make the ink permanent > but to make it waterproof, permanent inks are good that means they are long > lasting and usually lightfast. As has been stated here before Rotring pen > ink is permanent but not waterproof, and I really like their pens > especially for those we need it done today (combat scribe) situations. > Ultimately what pen you use is the one that works the best for YOU. > Yours, > Herr Gevehard von Baden > Northshield > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 01:31:31 +0300 From: "Nickolay Belostotsky" Subject: [scribes]: The book on the Russian calligraphy (at last....) Whoa! Hello everyone! The term is over for me. The exams are gone, and now I can turn to 'ordinary' life. This one was the toughest, and cost me much time and patience. That is exactly why I am sooooo late on it. I'm sorry, if there was any inconvinience because of it... I was almost on the egde But now it's all gone. I really hope to send the books to in the next FEW days to 'Jenn/Yana' and 'BRNDALSTON'. Hope there won't be any problems. ;-) Thanks, --Koly ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 15:20:30 -0800 From: "Kenneth Stoner" Subject: RE: [scribes]: Hands, or lack thereof I agree 2000.99%!!! I actually wear it as a kind of badge of honor... "Me a scribe? Nay! I, good gentle, I am Illuminator! And I can 'paint' if I want to!" While my calligraphy is getting to a point where it is passing OK, (though not because I practice) Illumination is the thing that gives spark to my passion. Cystennin sends. - --- If Illuminatus means "An Illuminator", then is my Scriptoreum an "Illuminati" ? What if I was from Bavaria? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-scribes@castle.org [mailto:owner-scribes@castle.org]On Behalf Of MiLadyGbr@aol.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 1:42 PM To: scribes@castle.org Subject: Re: [scribes]: Hands, or lack thereof Hello again, Thank you to everyone who has written their support of my dilemma both public and private. And yes, I am VERY aware that the way it was done in period was that there was usually a separate scribe and illuminator. I think what I was trying to express was that I feel less of an SCA scribe because my calligraphy sucks. I find it hard to call myself a scribe when what I actually am is an illuminator. Did that make sense? Gabrielle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 10:11:52 +1100 From: Steve Roylance Subject: Re: [scribes]: 6th-7th century Gaul SNSpies@aol.com wrote: > > Hello to the list. > > I am looking for examples of calligraphy that would have been used by the > Franks in 6th-7th century Gaul. Can anyone point me to sources, either > on-line or off? Many thanks. > > Nancy hi Some books to look for are:- Explicatio Formarum Litterarum, Rutherford Aris (JohnNeal Books), probably the best source, plare C has 22 examples of pre-Carolingian scripts from France with a few English for comparison. A Guide to Western Scriptd from Antiquity to 1600, M.P.Brown, The British Library, 1990, isbn 0 7123 0177 1. This has a few examples of pre-Carolingian scripts, with some large facsimiles. These will give you a good history of what is happening in the development of scripts in the first millenium, with examples. 6th Century Gaul could still be using Roman Rustic, then there is a great divergence of hands until Carolingian at the beginning of the 9th century. Almost to the point where there is one style being limited to one scriptorum. as ever Thorfinn, Lochac, West Melbourne, Australia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 18:45:17 -0500 From: Sally Burnell Subject: RE: [scribes]: Hands, or lack thereof I'm not exactly sure what I am best at, actually. Laurels have told me that my best hand is Insular Majiscule, and yet I prefer to illuminate in the bar-and-ivy style of the late 13-early 14th centuries in England and France. And yet, I've always said that I cannot paint, because I cannot do miniatures, since I also cannot draw. And I haven't the first clue on how to use paint, either, another reason it is so easy to do bar-and-ivy, because I don't really have to know how to paint in order to do it well. And yet, my Gothic hands are not nearly as good as my Insular Majiscule, but I don't know how to do Celtic illumination that would go with my best hand. This, despite being a scribe in the SCA for over two decades..............go figure................... An ofttimes frustrated scribe, Lady Saradwen Ariandalen Marche of Gwyntarian (Akron/Kent, OH) Midrealm ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V2 #1329 ******************************