From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V2 #127 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Wednesday, July 1 1998 Volume 02 : Number 127 In this issue: [scribes]: scroll posted Re: [scribes]: Patent vs Loose Re: [scribes]: Light Tables Re: [scribes]: Patent vs Loose Re: [scribes]: Award Medallions for AOA(was R.E. Scribes...) Re: [scribes]: Scroll wordings Re: [scribes]: Light Tables Re: [scribes]: Technical Pen vs. Crowquill Re: [scribes]: Scroll wordings [scribes]: Re: : Award Medallions for AOA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:04:14 -0500 (CDT) From: daffy + chiara Subject: [scribes]: scroll posted Hiho! A while back, I mentioned a scroll I did for an event called "An Authenticists Nightmare"...well, I finally got it posted. The address is: www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Midfield/6274/karascll.jpg The quote is by Christopher Fry, the lettering is Chartpak press type, and the illumination is entirely colored pencil. My lord got this up and running for me, and he'd like you to follow the link to his page, "Saberspace"--he'd like to know if the graphic works on everyone's browser, or just his. Enjoy! Chiara da Ravenna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:31:20 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz (KHvS)" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Patent vs Loose JimBear asked: > I'm curious, does the varnish act as a stiffening agent? I have found that the > acrylic gesso just doesn't get firm enough and therefore doesn't give a good > enough seat to the leaf. However, that might be what is needed for patent as > the gesso "moves" rather than the leaf when water gilding and therefore > accomplishes the same thing?- I'm not really sure, JimBear. I do know that it affects the shine when burnishing. I think that if you used a matte varnish, the burnish would not be as high. But, since I have never used anything other than the gloss varnish, I can't rightfully say for sure. I have been using this recipe for eight years and have seen it go through lots and lots of mis-use on scrolls. I have one scroll that I was going to re-do for an individual whose dog got hold of and chewed large chunks out of it. But, he has since mentioned he would just like to have it mounted as it is. However, the interesting thing is that what gold leaf the dog didn't eat is virtually intact -- no chipping, no thin spots, whatever. It still amazes me to look at it. I did use loose leaf on it (I think, it was done over 7 years ago and I forget). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Meisterin Katarina Helene von Schoenborn, OL Seneschale of the Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana) Middle Kingdom ~~ Vert, a unicorn head couped close Argent, crinned and armed Or, and in sinister, a gore Or ~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:10:15 EDT From: FITCHYBEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Light Tables In a message dated 98-06-30 17:41:04 EDT, Varju writes: << Hmmmm. . .that's a consideration. . .I wouldn't have to brush him as much. . . But boy would he be mad at me and he might look a bit silly. Have you ever seen a shaved Persian? :-> Noemi >> Only when My brother in law got rid of his beard........JimBear ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:10:17 EDT From: FITCHYBEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Patent vs Loose In a message dated 98-06-30 19:34:11 EDT, meistern@netusa1.net writes: << However, the interesting thing is that what gold leaf the dog didn't eat is virtually intact -- no chipping, no thin spots, whatever. It still amazes me to look at it. I did use loose leaf on it (I think, it was done over 7 years ago and I forget >> Slightly off topic here but only slightly....I was perusing a treatise on Hilliard the other day and discovered another use for my fave Garlic juice......As I said before it works well if you mix it with your paint to make paint stick to gold leaf....Hilliard believed that garlic juice on silver leaf would prevent it from tarnishing, while it didn't prevent it, it probably slowed the process......BTW I did a Laurel scroll that got chewed by a dog trying to get the seal off-JimBear ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:10:16 EDT From: FITCHYBEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Award Medallions for AOA(was R.E. Scribes...) In a message dated 98-06-30 17:42:00 EDT, vikinglord@worldnet.att.net writes: << As far as I know this is a sumptuary tradition, not law. Lady Jana CAID,Calafia, Drafn, Blackened Pot >> Read the Caidan Booke of Law.....tradition carries the weight of law. I can and have worn thick bands of metal as a circlet, cause let's face it, on a bear of my size 1/2" just looks damn silly........not one person said anything about it there is nothing codified and quite frankly when I started, no one ever told me anything about such a tradition, the only thing I ever heard about was belt colours and even then it was told to me that it was known world wide (which it isn't except for the white belt or baldric) a tradition would be a universally or at least societally, a commonly held belief. I therefore submit that it is neither a tradition nor a law-JimBear ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:32:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Cecelia M. Hughes" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Scroll wordings Saradwen-- As the one responsible for publishing those prescribed wordings, and being a little tired of hearing this particular rumor repeated as immutable fact, here is what happened: As Dragon Herald, I got one too many 2 a.m. phone calls that went, "Graidhne? I have to do a scroll for this week-end. Can you tell me what the wording is for a Purple Fret?" So, after some excellent research into period scroll texts by my deputy, Tadhg an Liath of Duncairn, with the aproval of the royalty, we put together some "standard" scroll texts for the MidRealm awards. The publication also included a list of alternate opening lines. The entire book (it was the MidRealm Book of Ceremonies) opened with the statement that "NONE OF THIS IS SET IN STONE. THESE ARE MEANT AS SUGGESTIONS FOR THOSE WHO NEED THAT KIND OF AID." It seems that the pages with the text suggestions were widely copied and passed around among the scribes. I do not know of any Dragon Heralds or Kingdom Signets who ever suggested that these were the texts that must be used. Remember what they say about assumptions... Graidhne ni Ruaidh On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Sally Burnell wrote: > We in the Midrealm are not restricted to standardised scroll wordings. As > long as the requisite information is present, we are permitted creativity in > creating wordings for scrolls. The big problem is that for so many years we > did have proscribed wordings that we used, that all began with the > salutation, "Be it Known.........." All of us scribes grew weary of trying > to find new ways to creatively illuminate a capital "B". So now that there > is no longer such a restriction, scribes have yet to discover just how to > creatively word a scroll. Some scribes are very, very good at it. Others > toil to find unique wordings. Not everyone is gifted with the ability to > write interesting wordings, so many of them resort to the wordings that are > suggested in our Kingdom Scribal Handbook. Some scribes are more comfortable > using already written texts that they do not have to think up. And that is > fine. If you possess a creative mind and can write interesting texts, go for > it. But we do not have "wording police" who restrict us to certain scroll > texts. It is merely up to the individual scribe to do what they feel > comfortable in doing. > > > Lady Saradwen Ariandalen > Marche of Gwyntarian > Midrealm > ICQ # 13015575 > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:59:42 -0700 From: "Gael Stirler, SCA Lady Dairine" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Light Tables Dear Scribes, I have at times resorted to some odd substitutions for a light table. I have a little B & W television that I turn on its back and set to a blank channel with the sound off. I turn the brightness way up and put the artwork on the screen to trace. The static holds it in place. Sometimes I put a piece of frosted plexiglass from an old store display over the screen to make up for the curve. If it was a small bit of tracing, I just tape the paper and artwork to the sliding glass door. I used to use a jewelry display case (the kind with a hinged lid) for years with a battery powered florescent light inside. I scrounged another display from Payless Cashways when they were throwing things out. It was a box with a small florescent light inside and a double plexiglass panel over the front opening about the size of a 15" TV screen. It had a transparent picture of kitchen cabinets between the layers and I threw that out. I got a bigger piece of plexiglass and taped my work to it and laid it on the "light table" I moved the plexiglass around as I worked to get the best light. I remember when I was a teenager I used an old picture frame with glass in it mounted at an angle on a table by a window. I took a barber mirror and projected the ambient light from outdoors up at the glass. I wanted a real light table for years but I could never bring myself to shell out the bucks, when with a little ingenuity I could get one for free. Lady Dairine mor o hUigin hollis@slic.com wrote: > > Dear scribes, > > I am desperately in need of information about the design of light tables. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:07:30 -0700 From: "Gael Stirler, SCA Lady Dairine" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Technical Pen vs. Crowquill Dear Tetchubah, You wrote >For white vine work I'll generally ink first >and paint afterwards, then ink again where I think it needs it. This is >because of the way I draw my white vine - I will generally create a >repeatable pattern on tracing paper and copy it over to the scroll by >flipping it over and over. I am not sure I am familiar with white vine work. The only time I have used something that might be call that was a background filler and that was freehanded over a dark underpainting. Example: http://renstore.com/articles/GSS/details/AoAMF3-redSm.jpg Do you have a scanned example of white vine work. I would like to see how it is done. Lady Dairine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:30:26 -0400 (EDT) From: hollis@slic.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Scroll wordings I believe, from looking at their Scribe's Manual that's on the web, that Western Kingdom has a standard set of wordings that must be used. They say that wordings can only be changed by Blah blah blah blah with special permission from blah and a court martial from bLAh bLaH BlahBlafferson. That may be the (a?) source of the confusion. Hammurabi the non-SCAdian. At 05:30 PM 6/30/1998 -0400, you wrote: >We in the Midrealm are not restricted to standardised scroll wordings. As >long as the requisite information is present, we are permitted creativity in >creating wordings for scrolls. The big problem is that for so many years we >did have proscribed wordings that we used, that all began with the >salutation, "Be it Known.........." All of us scribes grew weary of trying >to find new ways to creatively illuminate a capital "B". So now that there >is no longer such a restriction, scribes have yet to discover just how to >creatively word a scroll. Some scribes are very, very good at it. Others >toil to find unique wordings. Not everyone is gifted with the ability to >write interesting wordings, so many of them resort to the wordings that are >suggested in our Kingdom Scribal Handbook. Some scribes are more comfortable >using already written texts that they do not have to think up. And that is >fine. If you possess a creative mind and can write interesting texts, go for >it. But we do not have "wording police" who restrict us to certain scroll >texts. It is merely up to the individual scribe to do what they feel >comfortable in doing. > > > Lady Saradwen Ariandalen > Marche of Gwyntarian > Midrealm > ICQ # 13015575 > > > - ---------------------------- Hollis Easter hollis@slic.com "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world: indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead, anthropologist Yes, I did get a perfect score on my SAT-I's... See the picture at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/2436/SAT52698.gif - ---------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:51:07 EDT From: EowynA@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Re: : Award Medallions for AOA In a message dated 6/30/98 6:19:21 PM, FITCHYBEAR@aol.com wrote: <> Read the Caidan Booke of Law.....tradition carries the weight of law.>> Actually, the only place I ever hear this "sumptuary tradition" is from chatalaines and people fresh from other kingdoms. To my knowledge, and I have lived in Caid 23 years, it is not a Kingdom-wide tradition by any means. It may be traditional in some areas of the kingdom -- that I cannot comment upon. But Caid overall does not have any sumptuary laws or traditions beyond those mandated by Society documents, such as the College of Arms (e.g. -- white belts for Knights, medallions with insignia for members of those orders, wreaths of roses for Ladies of the Rose, etc.). I do know that some people have looked at what people have chosen to do (either after consulting historical sources or seeing what is done in other kingdoms), and from this have derived "sumptuary traditions." But I can wear a red belt if I choose, and it does not automatically indicate I am a squire, and a plain circlet of metal does not indicate armigerous status here. On the other hand, a crown or coronet (defined as a circlet with jewels or pointy bits or pearls on top) is restricted all over the Known World. Eowyn Amberdrake, old codger in Caid ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V2 #127 *****************************