From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V2 #106 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Wednesday, June 24 1998 Volume 02 : Number 106 In this issue: [scribes]: MEdallions Re: [scribes]: Re: a question from JimBear....... Re: [scribes]: Re: Scribal soapbox, thank you's, etc. Re: [scribes]: Re: Scribal soapbox, thank you's, etc. Re: [scribes]: My turn on the scribal soapbox Re: [scribes]: Geographic Trends [scribes]: Bookbinding glue? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:11:23 -0600 From: Holly and Jake Gassel Subject: [scribes]: MEdallions RE: medallions for awards For a time years ago it was a tradition for the AoA orders and GoA orders in Calontir to gift their new members with an order medallion. However, I dont believe this was the Crown gifting the recipient. Also, the person/company who made those medallions no longer does so, and there was a lapse in this gifting. Then someone else started making leather ones for the fighting orders, and these have started showing up around necks and hatbands, etc. A very cool idea, but again this was the order gifting the new member, not the crown. Sometimes it was friends of the person instead of the order (ie-I passed down one of my two Swan ((AoA arts award)) medallions to my apprentice when she was elevated). Ms. Aidan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:38:26 EDT From: FITCHYBEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: a question from JimBear....... Well, With the two sources that Luighseach gave me and a couple of other sources I checked out.......I'm going to try to cut the quill exactly like a bird quill. The folks who do bead work with them say that inside they are exactly like a bird quill so it will be an interesting experiment.....when I get done (which will be awhile yet) I'll let you know the results.....JimBear ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:15:26 -0700 From: John Stracke Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: Scribal soapbox, thank you's, etc. (pardon the delay--I spent most of last week away from email, so I'm backlogged) FITCHYBEAR@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 98-06-18 13:10:26 EDT, francis@thibault.org writes: > > << I agree--I believe that AoA scrolls are much more important than, say, > peerage > scrolls. > >> > I think the scrolls are important at any level award, if they are important to > the reciepient-JimBear Hmm. Yes, but I think there's two dimensions: what it means to the recipient, and what it means to the Kingdom. First, the recipient. Just on the statistics, an AoA recipient will probably never get another award; a new peer, on the other hand, probably already has at least an AoA. In addition, the AoA doesn't come with many tangible rewards *except* the scroll--in some kingdoms, it entitles you to wear a simple circlet, but whoop. A peer, on the other hand, gets lots of recognition, including standardized ways to display their status (medallion, belt, etc.). I'm not arguing that the peers don't *deserve* all this; but we should make some effort to make sure the AoAs get something to point to. Second, the Kingdom. Consider what happens when somebody hits burnout--tired of scribing, for instance. When this happens, whatever tangible recognition we've been able to give them may help remind them that they're appreciated, that maybe it's worthwhile to keep on scribing (or whatever). Making sure that AoA recipients get their scrolls--their one bit of recognition--is thus a benefit to the Kingdom. (Disclaimer: I don't actually have any awards myself, so all this talk about the psychological effects is somewhat theoretical. :-) /=================================================================\ |John Francis Stracke | http://www.thibault.org |S/MIME & HTML OK| |francis@thibault.org |===========================================| |Crosston, Mists, West| Any time somebody has a conditioned | |My LAN, my opinions. | response, they *always* think of Pavlov! | \=================================================================/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:15:26 -0700 From: John Stracke Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: Scribal soapbox, thank you's, etc. (pardon the delay--I spent most of last week away from email, so I'm backlogged) FITCHYBEAR@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 98-06-18 13:10:26 EDT, francis@thibault.org writes: > > << I agree--I believe that AoA scrolls are much more important than, say, > peerage > scrolls. > >> > I think the scrolls are important at any level award, if they are important to > the reciepient-JimBear Hmm. Yes, but I think there's two dimensions: what it means to the recipient, and what it means to the Kingdom. First, the recipient. Just on the statistics, an AoA recipient will probably never get another award; a new peer, on the other hand, probably already has at least an AoA. In addition, the AoA doesn't come with many tangible rewards *except* the scroll--in some kingdoms, it entitles you to wear a simple circlet, but whoop. A peer, on the other hand, gets lots of recognition, including standardized ways to display their status (medallion, belt, etc.). I'm not arguing that the peers don't *deserve* all this; but we should make some effort to make sure the AoAs get something to point to. Second, the Kingdom. Consider what happens when somebody hits burnout--tired of scribing, for instance. When this happens, whatever tangible recognition we've been able to give them may help remind them that they're appreciated, that maybe it's worthwhile to keep on scribing (or whatever). Making sure that AoA recipients get their scrolls--their one bit of recognition--is thus a benefit to the Kingdom. (Disclaimer: I don't actually have any awards myself, so all this talk about the psychological effects is somewhat theoretical. :-) /=================================================================\ |John Francis Stracke | http://www.thibault.org |S/MIME & HTML OK| |francis@thibault.org |===========================================| |Crosston, Mists, West| Any time somebody has a conditioned | |My LAN, my opinions. | response, they *always* think of Pavlov! | \=================================================================/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:22:26 -0700 From: John Stracke Subject: Re: [scribes]: My turn on the scribal soapbox Randy & Melody Asplund-Faith wrote: > In both of these cases it is only proper that they commission a > scribe to replace a scroll for a compensation of either trade or cash. Point of interkingdom anthropology: In the West, we aren't allowed to take money for doing award scrolls. /=================================================================\ |John Francis Stracke | http://www.thibault.org |S/MIME & HTML OK| |francis@thibault.org |===========================================| |Crosston, Mists, West| Any time somebody has a conditioned | |My LAN, my opinions. | response, they *always* think of Pavlov! | \=================================================================/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:00:42 +1000 From: Steve Roylance Subject: Re: [scribes]: Geographic Trends EowynA@aol.com wrote: > > a more generally applicable question > > Do other kingdoms notice that some Baronies/Shires/Colleges/ etc. tend to > produce more recognized (either Laurel or High-Kingdom-Awards) scribes? If > so, do you think this is because of the synergy of working together and > learning from each other, or happenstance (such as -- the Crown has not > visited in awhile, and when They do, They recognize several worthy > individuals who happen to be pursuing the same art)? > > Eowyn Amberdrake, Caid Hi, there is certainly this phenomena in Lochac as it is nearly 10 years since one of the fighters was knighted while living in the barony, however, at least 4 others have been knighted since, first learning here then perfecting their skills in a fighting barony. We only have one retired knight in the barony at the moment. The barony (about 90 card carrying members)was known for its combat archers and there it certainly was talent enthusing talent and one of the best combat groups in the Principality. In one battle, they showed what happened at Agincourt with 30 on our side with about 10 heavies and the rest of the Principality on the other (about 120) and lots of heavy fighters and as at Agincourt, we won. Laurels and Pelicans are a different story. As three members of the barony were admitted to the Pelican last year and one Laurel. There are 8 Pelicans and 10 Laurels resident here at the moment. This barony tends produce music related Laurels as there are two musicians and two choral masters and having got one this is enthusing others and eventually there are another recognised in the same field, but probably at a higher standard as the work of the first on which to build. All the C&I Laurels still in Lochac (hi Caitlin) are in Rowany and surrounding groups. Geography does make a significant impact here, as nearest barony is 650km to the north and there is one 750 km west and one on the other island to south (200km off shore). At present there are no intermediate groups, but we are working on one on the north road. There is a synergy in each area, as with lots of arts and crafts people active, this is attracting more arts people. Last weekend was the Principality Ball, with about 100 locals attending and about 15 from other groups. The dance band had upto 6 players (led by a Laurel), there was dancing from 11 am to 11 pm organised by four teachers (two Laurels) while the kitchen (with a Laurel, brewing and cooking doing much of organising) and a costume competition (judged by two Laurels) and won by a lady making her second piece of garb. We did import a couple of these Laurel for the event. The amazing part of it, was that it is not until I wrote up this comment did it become noticeable that the members of the order was that involved as all of these were people adding there bit to make the event work. This was (in order) Adrienne, Eleanor, Delbert, Gunnric, Mathilde and Margurite, as well as Arnvald watching the door and Dafydd having a choral session in the back room. Oh well for anecdotes, though the baron is greatly pushing the fighting as it is so small at the moment. as ever Thorfinn, Lochac, West Melbourne, Australia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 23:40:45 -0700 From: Laurie Subject: [scribes]: Bookbinding glue? Greetings! I decided I wanted to try some simple bookbinding (pamphlet style actually) and I wanted to glue an endpaper to my marble paper cover. Because the urge struck late at night, I used the plain clear craft glue that was sitting around, but the result was a bit lumpy. Is there a better glue for this type of thing, or did I apply it sloppily? Any advice from the bookbinders in the house? cheers, aliskye ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V2 #106 *****************************