From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V2 #91 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Friday, June 19 1998 Volume 02 : Number 091 In this issue: Re: [scribes]: Gender Bias Re: [scribes]: Re: [scribes]- Re- Scribal Re: [scribes]: Re: Scribal soapbox, thank you's, etc. [scribes]: Fwd: Persian manuscripts questions Re: [scribes]: Fwd: Persian manuscripts questions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 05 Jan 1995 12:58:45 -0700 From: Holly and Jake Gassel Subject: Re: [scribes]: Gender Bias WEll, in Calontir it was mostly females doing scribing, at least that ever got mentioned in public. I cannot think of a male scribe laurel there off the top of my head, though I can think of a half dozen or so females. The GoA level had a few males for scribing. Here in al-Barran, there appears (to my eye anyway) to be more of a male scribal showing, and a few more interested in trying it, but still more than half female. Again, that may only be those who "do it" in public, or who talk to me, so this is NOT a scientific survey . Ms. Aidan John Stracke wrote: > > David Columbus wrote: > > > SCAdianwise, the proporation of men and women was just about equal in both > > places. > > > > How is it in other parts of the world? > > Mmm...here in the West, among those I know of, it's about 3 or 4 to one (more > females). No real idea why, unless it's the fact that the West is even more > fighter-mad than other places, which sucks up guys' time. (Don't get > contentious; I know it's not mutually exclusive--one of our scribes is a > Viscount--but everybody's got a time budget. And I know women fight, too, but > not as many.) > > /=================================================================\ > |John Francis Stracke | http://www.thibault.org |S/MIME & HTML OK| > |francis@thibault.org |===========================================| > |Crosston, Mists, West| Any time somebody has a conditioned | > |My LAN, my opinions. | response, they *always* think of Pavlov! | > \=================================================================/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jan 1995 13:09:04 -0700 From: Holly and Jake Gassel Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: [scribes]- Re- Scribal OK. I was not talking about preprints the same way some of you are talking. I was thinking of the nicely done, handpainted good paper preprints not the computer generated notebook paper crap (sorry, opinion here). Also, call me an elitist but IMO getting a big cool status award should have some perks, like a cool scroll. NOT that AoAs are not also a big deal, and should not also have a cool scroll. But winning The Big Tourney gets you the Big Hat. Getting made a knight pel or laurel gets you a cool cloak and some danglies. I think the sheer number of AoA level awards given per reign makes it somewhat unreasonable to expect that a cool original scroll will be able to be given at the time of the award for each one. The sheer numbers are just not gonna work out on that one. NOT that each and every AoA recipient isnt entitled to commission a cool scroll, they are and should. However, a peerage (or a county or a duchy for that matter) is something that is not going to happen to everyone in the SCA, and therefore should be worthy of something above and beyond, in recognition of the above and beyond done by the person getting the peerage. My two pesos worth... Ms. Aidan (whose 3 scrolls include one peerage, one GoA and a baronial award, all done by "family", and who would really like to be able to commission a cool AoA scroll too....Logical? NO. Oh well) Marisa Herzog wrote: > > RE>>[scribes]: Re: Scribal soapbox, thank 6/18/98 > > > That's all well and good if you get more than one scroll in your SCA > life. What about the folks for whom that is the only scroll? > >> > I agree--I believe that AoA scrolls are much more important than, say, peerage > scrolls. > > > With regards to attacking the scroll backlog, I agree as well, so far I have > asked that I only get assigned AoA level scrolls. That scroll may be the only > thing one ever gets to see regarding ones AoA. With a peerage you get an > "important" title, regalia, and notoriety that I would think would make up for > whether you get a scroll or not. And if it does take years to get that > scroll, then it will remind you of the early enthusiasm one has for the SCA- > rather than all the work. > -brid (who wonders if someday she will get a scroll to replace the photo copy > promissory for an AoA recieved mumbledy years ago) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jan 1995 13:10:31 -0700 From: Holly and Jake Gassel Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: Scribal soapbox, thank you's, etc. FITCHYBEAR@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-06-18 13:10:26 EDT, francis@thibault.org writes: > > << I agree--I believe that AoA scrolls are much more important than, say, > peerage > scrolls. > >> > I think the scrolls are important at any level award, if they are important to > the reciepient-JimBear Oh, suuuurrreee... go and sum it up perfectly in a few words....grrrr... Aidan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:37:56 EDT From: RenScribe@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Fwd: Persian manuscripts questions This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_898234677_boundary Content-ID: <0_898234677@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Greetings all This missive came to me through the Cyber-Scriptorium. I haven't needed to research in this direction yet, so I don't have a clue. If anyone has some information to share with this Lady, please send a copy to her directly at ... aslyn@onramp.net....as well as to the list. She mentioned that she had tried to subscribe, but was having trouble. Thanks in advance Eibhlin In a message dated 6/18/98 7:34:08 PM, aslyn@onramp.net wrote: <> >I have a question: How would one do the *gold >flecking* technique found on Persian manuscripts? >Further, if period materials cannot be currently >found or afforded, what mundane materials may be >substituted? > > Would you know of anyone,(or could you post to the list) who can translate > English into Arabic? I am more of a calligrapher and would really like to do > original scrolls in Arabic instead of the Anglicized Arabic I've developed. > >Lady Aslyn Crystyn >Barony of the Steppes >Kingdom of Ansteorra - --part0_898234677_boundary Content-ID: <0_898234677@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-za04.mx.aol.com (rly-za04.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.100]) by air-za03.mail.aol.com (v45.6) with SMTP; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:34:07 -0400 Received: from mailhost.onramp.net (mailhost.onramp.net [199.1.11.3]) by rly-za04.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id TAA04228 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onramp.net (ppp16-3.dllstx.onramp.net [206.50.201.130]) by mailhost.onramp.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA02777 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:34:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3589BE81.F99EAB6C@onramp.net> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:27:30 -0700 From: Aslyn Crystyn Reply-To: aslyn@onramp.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win16; I) To: RenScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: scribal question References: <17d7310c.35886322@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Greetings Eibhlin!RenScribe@aol.com wrote:[snipping my previous post] > >I have a question: How would one do the *gold > >flecking* technique found on Persian manuscripts? > >Further, if period materials cannot be currently > >found or afforded, what mundane materials may be > >substituted? > > Good question.... wish I had the answer :-} Now *that's* honesty!!! ;-} I am so glad you wrote! I am actually an ex-AEthelmearc-ian from Coppertree now back home in Ansteorra. I was so good to meet back up with Ingvar, Tracy, Eric and everyone! I'm not sure where you are, but I bet we know some of the same people. > I don't have much experience with Persian pieces yet. I have promised to do a > Persian style scroll for a friend, but haven't gotten much past choosing a > layout. It's mostly a painting of a group of people with some text. There's no > gold flecks or scattered flowers on this piece, so I haven't researched those > aspects at all. [Emphasis added] It's tricky....in fact, to date, I have not found anything beyond "the paper was sized"...no mention of materials used. That's why I'm here. But isn't it gorgeous stuff?!!!! > Are you subscribed to the scribes mailing list? This would be a great question > to post there. If you're not subscribed, do I have your permission to forward > your question in? I will send you any replies in turn. YES! Please post away. I've been trying to get through to Majordomo to get on the list with no success. I've even e-mailed "Majordomo-owner" and thought I was registered, but I haven't received anything yet. So, if you would be so kind - - post away and thank you in advance for returning any replies to me (really big :-D ) > Would you know of anyone,(or could you post to the list) who can translate > English into Arabic? I am more of a calligrapher and would really like to do > original scrolls in Arabic instead of the Anglicized Arabic I've developed. > > One last thing - I am truly on the "Little Nash Ramblers" of computers here...I > have an EGA Monitor and a souped up 486. So, I apoligize for any transmission > problems. I'll upgrade soon! It's a pleasure to meet you! Let's see what floats back our way! :-) Lady Aslyn Crystyn Barony of the Steppes Kingdom of Ansteorra - -------------------- Greetings Eibhlin!RenScribe@aol.com wrote:[snipping my previous post]
>I have a question:  How would one do the *gold
>flecking* technique found on Persian manuscripts?
>Further, if period materials cannot be currently
>found or afforded, what mundane materials may be
>substituted?

Good question.... wish I had the answer    :-}

Now *that's* honesty!!! ;-}  I am so glad you wrote!  I am actually an ex-AEthelmearc-ian from Coppertree now back home in Ansteorra.  I was so good to meet back up with Ingvar, Tracy, Eric and everyone!  I'm not sure where you are, but I bet we know some of the same people.
I don't have much experience with Persian pieces yet. I have promised to do a Persian style scroll for a friend, but haven't gotten much past choosing a layout. It's mostly a painting of a group of people with some text. There's no gold flecks or scattered flowers on this piece, so I haven't researched those aspects at all. [Emphasis added]
It's tricky....in fact, to date, I have not found anything beyond "the paper was sized"...no mention of materials used.  That's why I'm here.  But isn't it gorgeous stuff?!!!!
Are you subscribed to the scribes mailing list? This would be a great question
to post there. If you're not subscribed, do I have your permission to forward
your question in? I will send you any replies in turn.
YES!  Please post away.  I've been trying to get through to Majordomo to get on the list with no success.  I've even e-mailed "Majordomo-owner" and thought I was registered, but I haven't received anything yet.  So, if you would be so kind - post away and thank you in advance for returning any replies to me (really big :-D )
Would you know of anyone,(or could you post to the list) who can translate English into Arabic?  I am more of a calligrapher and would really like to do original scrolls in Arabic instead of the Anglicized Arabic I've developed.

One last thing - I am truly on the "Little Nash Ramblers" of computers here...I have an EGA Monitor and a souped up 486.  So, I apoligize for any transmission problems.  I'll upgrade soon!

It's a pleasure to meet you!  Let's see what floats back our way! :-)

Lady Aslyn Crystyn
Barony of the Steppes
Kingdom of Ansteorra
  - --part0_898234677_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 02:15:04 EDT From: EowynA@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Fwd: Persian manuscripts questions In a message dated 6/18/98 10:45:13 PM, RenScribe@aol.com wrote: << >I have a question: How would one do the *gold >flecking* technique found on Persian manuscripts? >Further, if period materials cannot be currently >found or afforded, what mundane materials may be >substituted? >>> The scroll I did for my husband (Lord Jamal) was in the "Illuminated Koran" style (as opposed to the "illuminated Bible" style we see so often. I got a piece of lovely Japanese paper with gold flecks in the paper. That is, it was made that way. I went down to a stationer's shop in Little Tokyo in downtown Los Angeles, so I have no idea where else one could get it. But they had a goodly selection of papers with various inclusions, including metallic ones. I chose a sheet with bits of metal that looked similar to the Persian mss. Then I lettered it in English in a variation of Legend, which is a modern hand/typeface that reminds the viewer of Arabic script, though of course it is not at all related to anything authentic. But it is readable, and from a distance it looks right. Eowyn Amberdrake, Caid ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V2 #91 ****************************