From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V2 #87 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Wednesday, June 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 087 In this issue: [scribes]: Request for assistance part 2 RE: [scribes]: speedballs [scribes]: Caidan Scribes Please Read Re: [scribes]: Gilding help [scribes]: Re: folium (fwd and back again) Re: HERB - [scribes]: folium (fwd) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:43:18 EDT From: Aralyn67@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Request for assistance part 2 Hello all, I'm so irritated I could burst. AOL dumped my filing cabinet and I lost all of my saved mail which included all the gilding recipes you all had been so kind as to send to me. If its not too much trouble and could you resend them? Just to my e-mail so everyone else doesn't have to reread them. Thank you so much and many apologies for the inconvience. Aralyn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:00:03 -0700 From: "Carolyn Richardson" Subject: RE: [scribes]: speedballs >>I started with a Speedball (yup, I know what you all are going to say, Lose it) C5<< I *love* my Speedball nibs - wouldn't use anything else (except quills which I haven't got the hang of cutting yet). Tetchubah of Greenlake Kingdom of Caid ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:42:36 EDT From: EowynA@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Caidan Scribes Please Read Hi! I apologize to those not in Caid for the excessive use of bandwidth.  I just posted the minutes of the meeting we held at Queen's Champion to the caid-scribes mailing list. I know that there have been some difficulties subscribing to it, or even knowing that anything is working, since that list had been so inactive lately. This is the last time I will post to scribes about caid-scribes stuff, but I didn't want any Caidan scribes to feel left out. if you haven't subscribed to caid-scribes yet, things are likely to start more conversations now. I return you to your regularly scheduled Scribes mailing list, now in progress, Eowyn Amberdrake ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:40:51 -0400 (EDT) From: randyaf@provide.net (Randy & Melody Asplund-Faith) Subject: Re: [scribes]: Gilding help This is for Aralyn and anyone else who is having to struggle with gilding. If you want to do flat gilding, you can. The bulk former in gesso is only there to give body. Frame gilders use just hide glue and bole. They also moisten it with water brom a brush, but that is a mistake on the page! So don't worry about how high you lay the gilding seat unless you want it smooth. Then you would need the bulk former to raise it above paper texture. As long as the entire gilding seat dries all the way through, you can be sure it will be firm in the center. Then it won't squish when you burnish. As for poor adhesion, it sounds like you may have had three problems. 1) Not enough moisture from your breath, 2) not getting the gold onto the seat soon enough (while still tacky, and 3) you also need to gently press the gold into the slightly tacky seat with something like very clean glassine paper before you let it set and burnish. This last assures adhesion. After breathing on the seat, but before laying the leaf, touch the seat with your very clean finger and see if it is tacky after you breathe on it. If it is not, try breathing longer (especially on a dry day). If that doesn't get it tacky, consider adding a touch more sweetener to the recipe. Another thing is the straw may be a problem. It works for some people, but not me. I always seem to get the moisture condensing inside the straw instead of on the gesso, and then it drips! Arghh! So I just open my mouth wide and exhale deeply and slowly from about two inches away. I get a lot of leaf scrap in my beard and moustache! Last tip, whether you pick up the gold on a knife edge or with a brush, pick it up before you breathe on the seat. Hold it nearby, and as soon as the gesso is ready you can plop it down. A gesso mixture will look a bit chalky when dry, and you should even be able to see it darken with the breathe's moisture. Let me know if this doesn't work, but readit a couple of times to make sure you follow ALL of it. Ranthulfr Randy Asplund-Faith Science Ficion & Fantasy Illustration 2101 S. Circle Dr. Ann Arbor, MI. 48103 (734) 663-0954 http://www.provide.net/~randyaf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:10:59 -0500 (EST) From: Sara Harless Subject: [scribes]: Re: folium (fwd and back again) In a previous post, Lady Ellen of the Scholars asked for information on turnsole and/or folium ICW the Lindisfarne Gospels. I took the liberty of forwarding it to the Historical Herb list. What follow is the reply I received from Lady Jasmine de Cordoba, who would like to become a member of our scribes list, if one of you can assist her, please?! I will forward any addiional info I receive on this subject unless the list admin wishes it to be done privately. I remain in service to scribal chaos, Evaine - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:57:55 -0400 From: Gaylin Walli To: evaine@glenmar.com Subject: Re: HERB - [scribes]: folium (fwd) Evaine asked: >This question came up on the scribes list and I haven't seen an answer >yet. Does anyone here know of a source for turnsole or folium? I have >seen madder listed, but didn't see these. > >Please reply privately and I will forward to the scribes list. We >scribe/herb/fiber persons thank you for any help you can provide. Nicholas Culpepper and Maude Grieve both list "turnsole" as an alternate name for "heliotropium." If indeed this is the same plant, then you need look no further than a basic herb seed catalog. Several varieties exist, however, and I'm not sure if the botanical name is Heliotropium peruviana or Heliotropium arborescens (Grieve says its peruviana) for the same variety used by scribes. I'm extremely unsure of folium, but I think I remember something in a Chinese medical document about Folium being another name for Perilla frutescens (or "Perilla leaf" or "Purple perilla leaf"). If this is the same plant, then this is a common plant used to keep deer away from gardens and should be listed in larger seed catalogs. The places I've seen it listed (and I don't have any in front of me) listed it as perilla or Bronze perilla. I sincerely hope this helps even a little. Please feel free to forward this along to the Scribes list. (And if you could, would it be too much trouble to forward me the address so that I could join that list too?) Jasmine de Cordoba, Midrealm g.walli@infoengine.com or jasmine@infoengine.com "Si enim alicui placet mea devotio, gaudebo; si autem nulli placet, memet ipsam tamen juvat quod feci." - -- Hroswith of Gandersheim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:12:12 -0500 (EST) From: Sara Harless Subject: Re: HERB - [scribes]: folium (fwd) Additional information on folium. . A - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:01:00 -0400 From: Gaylin Walli To: evaine@glenmar.com Subject: Re: HERB - [scribes]: folium (fwd) I wrote: >The places I've seen it listed (and I don't have any >in front of me) listed it as perilla or Bronze perilla. Actually. now that I think back, the bronze perilla I saw listed was a special cultivar that didn't have as purple leaves as the "Purple perilla" I saw listed. Jasmine de Cordoba, Midrealm g.walli@infoengine.com or jasmine@infoengine.com "Si enim alicui placet mea devotio, gaudebo; si autem nulli placet, memet ipsam tamen juvat quod feci." - -- Hroswith of Gandersheim ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V2 #87 ****************************