From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V2 #79 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Monday, June 15 1998 Volume 02 : Number 079 In this issue: Re: [scribes]: [Mid] [Fwd: Scribal soapbox Re: [scribes]: [Mid] [Fwd: Scribal soapbox ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:21:00 -0600 (MDT) From: "Morgan E. Smith" Subject: Re: [scribes]: [Mid] [Fwd: Scribal soapbox I read Sally's post with some shock, and would like to say that it is not always thus: In An Tir, the "gift" scrolls are mass-produced for each reign, and filled in and coloured individually for each one. A more elaborate scroll may be requested from the College of Scribes, but I believe (I'm not sure) that a small charge is levied, and people are free to ask a scribe of their acquaintance to make their more permanent version. This applies to all AoAs and Goutes and Jambes (the grant level awards for Service and Arts, respectively). The person who did the "illuminatiom" is usually mentioned. It wasn't always so: my AoA scroll was done by Lady Elspeth, and I recieved a "promissory" on the day, with the big fancy one coming about a year later. It was presented to me in Court, and the scribe honoured at the same time. It was customary for the recipient to walk about the court showing it off, after which they were free to seek out the scribe to thank them personally. I know I did - my scroll was lovely! I think you are right, in the cases you describe. Royalty ought to be more patient, and give the scribes far more lead time than you describe. It isn't rational for large and complex work to be done with so little planning, and one can only hope that an experienced scribe ascends the throne and takes the existing system in hand! Morgan the Unknown ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:23:22 -0400 From: Heather Swann Subject: Re: [scribes]: [Mid] [Fwd: Scribal soapbox Whereas I see some good points of courtesy made, I would make some further points: 1) If scribes are paid, this will lead to a higher level of work expected. This will squeeze out the beginning scribes whose work may not be regarded as worth the price. They will not get as much practice, and may be discouraged. True, you don't expect armourers to give of their art so freely, but when money is paid for it, you expect a certain level of craftsmanship. 2)This will also create another problem- who will pay for the scrolls? The Kingdom? Funds will dry up and fewer awards will be given because the Kingdom will not be able to afford it. The recipient? Then scrolls will only be for the wealthy- how many of us as poor college students could have afforded an AoA scroll? 3)Certainly it would be spiffing keen if we got more thanks for our work, but to a certain extent, that's just how it is. What I would suggest instead is this: Local groups could buy a good basic kit for their local scriptoria- paints, pens, brushes, paper,etc. No leaf or fancy stuff, but enough for scribes to turn out good basic scrolls. If you want more fancy stuff you empty your personal pockets. The local groups would be able to teach more scribes, get more local scrolls done, and the Kingdom would benefit by having more scribes able to do scrolls. I can't honestly see anything being accomplished by a strike...we're a volunteer organization- if you don't want to do scrolls, then don't do them. If you feel something should be changed, then put a new plan into action. Miri Sally Burnell wrote: (snip) > >Greetings from Alexis! > > > >The following is forwarded by request of the writer - and is intended to > >promote discussion and thought amoungst the readers... > > > >Her Excellency makes some good points... (snip) > >If anyone wants to forward this to the MiddleBridge or anywhere else > >appropriate, have at it. Many thanks for listening. > >Baroness Anne of Winterskye (* AoA, OPF (x2), OW, CDH, Court Baroness ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V2 #79 ****************************