From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V2 #66 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Tuesday, June 9 1998 Volume 02 : Number 066 In this issue: Re: [scribes]: Specializing and what I'm working on Re: [scribes]: Specializing and what I'm working on [scribes]: Acid Free Labels.. Sort of [scribes]: Quick Comment [scribes]: KWHS-- Re: [scribes]: Quick Comment [scribes]: Silver Leaf? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 10:35:54 -0600 From: Holly and Jake Gassel Subject: Re: [scribes]: Specializing and what I'm working on WEll, all I can say is....... WOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Way to go JimBear! (he's soooooo modest >g< ) Aidan Laurie Jenkins wrote: > > It was indeed a stunning piece of work! What Jim-Bear neglected to > mention was the award that the scroll was given for. Let me be the > first to congratulate Master Jim-Bear :) for his Laurel in the arts of > Illumination and Woodworking, given by Their Majesties of Caid > on Saturday, June 6th. It was well deserved!! Huzzah, Huzzah, > Huzzah. > > Cheers, > > aliskye > > >>> 06/07 11:11 PM >>> > In a message dated 98-06-04 14:42:41 EDT, Luiseach@aol.com writes: > > << My last project was the calligraphy for a Laurel scroll on vellum, yummy > stuff > that it is, under partial heaven conditions-short lead time, great > illustrating partner, my kids fixed dinner and my house is still a mess. > Next project will be doing promissories for their soon-to-be-crowned > Majesties > of Caid, Ivan and Anastasiia; I start tonight. > > Luighseach nic Lochlainn > >> > > Just a note.......today (Sunday) at Caid's Queen's Champion Tourney, ther was > a People's Prize Tourney where they voted people's choice for best object d' > arte, Luighseach and her partner won...........the calligraphy and > illumination were absolutely increadible!!!!!! I think it is one of the best > pieces I've seen........JimBear > ! ! > ! > ! > ! > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:34:13 EDT From: FITCHYBEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Specializing and what I'm working on Thanks to all for the good wishes..........it so far has been a truly humbling experience to be the recipient of such an outpouring of affection.........What was truly amazing about the scroll that Luighseach and Luciana did was that it was Luciana's first scroll (Luciana is my student) done on vellum, in period pigments, with real goldleaf it featured portraits of myself, my Lady wife, and my daughter. as well little symbolic pictures...... a book for research, a scroll, a chisel, my crest, myhousehold badge, and a whip ( whenever I try to get Luciana to do something toward producing a scroll, I always say: "Now, do I have to go get the whip?") My brother is spirit, Duke John ap Gwyndaf made my medallion those who got to see it were truly in awe when I told them that on Friday night at 10:45, John called me and said, "Listen to this,....(the sound of a jeweller's saw cutting through metal)...I'm starting...." he literally started at 10:45 the night before and had it to me two hours before I was elevated the medallion has the traditional Laurel wreath on the front and a 5mm. oval malachite but the back is really stunning ; my arms are a quartered field filled with cross crosslet fitchys counter changed, the center cross crosslet is quartered John reversed the counterchange in a positive/ negative field and blacked the negative field surrounding this is a border with one of my mottoes: Ars Longa Viva Brevis .........he also did the Coronets for Rorik and Karina when they were made Eorl and Countess and the Signum Reginae.......It just amazed me how much everyone did for me......Luighseach's husband, Liam Moved me to the top of his list and made me my boots (the most comfortable boots I've ever worn) , another person (a brodure in every context of the title) stitched my quartered cross crosslet fitchy in green and white silk, with silver metal thread outlinning and field division and a 3d Laurel wreath surmounting it for my cloak which my wife made.......I'll tell you this, I can never be an Eeyore and say "nobody loves me, nobody cares....." and actually, I am Master JimBear, because His Majesty had "be now known as Master JimBear in this, Our Realm" written into the ceremony ( which my wife the herald read beautifully)-JimBear ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:45:24 EDT From: AngelODay@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Acid Free Labels.. Sort of When someone asked about a month back how we "sign" our works, I mentioned that I place a label printed with my name, email address, date of completion, number of scroll it is, documentation if any, and a quote that inspires me, onto the back of my scroll blanks. The response that I got was *That's Wonderful*!... But where did you find Acid Free Labels? Well honestly, I hadn't.. but after a month of searching, I've found them! Sort of. I went into my local "Memory Book" (that's the trendy word for photo album and scrap book these days) to look for acid free colored papers, and what I found was the amazing "Xyron" machine. What I do is print out my "labels" on a sheet of plain acid free paper, then for 99 cents a sheet, they run it through the amazing Xyron machine, and it turns it into an acid free sticker! Then I just cut apart the labels and whola! I have all the information anyone could need on the back of my scrolls and it won't ruin the work down the line. Also, unlike the labels that I was using, I can make these any size that I want. I'm pretty darned excited about it, and thankful that my lord was tall enough to see the sign. I don't have any other information, but if you want to call memory Book Lane, they might be able to give you the manufacturer's number. Memory Book Lane (630) 416-4300. ~~Aine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:27:06 -0400 From: Elyse Boucher <70521.3645@compuserve.com> Subject: [scribes]: Quick Comment Thomas Brownwell wrote: "Illuminated Page", page 127, where the cap is in red and it appears that the frill work is in *black*, but on closer examination it can't be. The black used in the text has faded to brown while the quill work has not. I think that it's actually a very dark blue/purple, so dark that it appears black in the photograph, though it's clearly not the same blue that you see everywhere else (there is plenty of standard blue on the same folio to compare it to). Good Gentles: It ain't neccessarily so. :) I checked out this page. The calligraphy is probably done in a ferrogallic ink, which would indeed sometimes fade to brown. However, it is possible, and consistant with medieval practice in some areas, to use inks made with gum arabic and soot for decoration--basically, lampblack paint thinnned down to a consistancy to flow thru a pen. Carbon based inks never fade. Thus, it is possible that the cited example is indeed an example of black quill work, as use of the two different inks for two different purposes is a known practice of the middle ages (for an example, check the instructions from the _Goertingen Model Book_ as the first thing that springs to my mind) :) If you look at the other example of illumination on page 127 (a small closeup of des Moulins: "La Bible Historiale") you'll note a similar phenomenon. The writing ink has faded, but the outlining ink around the gold leaves is quite black, as is the ink used to outline the gold border and the gold within the miniature. Too, cut off at the top of this detail, there is what appears to be a "D" versal, gold leaf, outlined in black. :) Only my interpretation, of course. :) You may interpret it differently. :) Ever your servant, Merouda Pendray Merouda Pendray: Caer Anterth, Northshield, Middle. (Elyse C. Boucher: West Allis, Wisconsin, USA) Per pale sable and Or, a gryphon segreant countorney within an orle of feathers counterchanged. "Semper ubi sub ubi" http://members.tripod.com/~Pendray/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 21:01:19 -0700 From: Curtis & Mary Subject: [scribes]: KWHS-- Greetings! I will be hosting a roundtable discussion for scribes at the Known World Herald's Symposia {why me? I think because Mistress Marta knew I wouldn't tell her no :-) Anyway, I've never done this before, and would like some input from those of you who might be able to be there as to topics of interest. Pet peeves? favorite stuff? differences between Kingdoms.....Give me some ideas! The available room is open at 3:00 pm on Sat. Laurel QoA will have a Q&A at 4:00, but we can just slide over and keep going if we want to. Mairi, Atenveldt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:11:58 -0700 From: "Thomas Brownwell" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Quick Comment Greetings unto all, and especially to Merouda, who said, "It ain't neccessarily so. :) I checked out this page. The calligraphy is probably done in a ferrogallic ink, which would indeed sometimes fade to brown. . . . Only my interpretation, of course. :) You may interpret it differently. :)" Actually, I do agree with you. I'm glad you came out to argue the other side -- it makes for more entertaining discourse. It had occurred to me that the quill work was in a Carbon-based ink in stead of the brown Ferro-gallic ink used in the text. I just neglected to mention that... The only problem I had is that the photographic reproduction in the book has a distinctive bluish cast to it, but it's probably just an artifact of the four-color separation. This is why it's good to give actual page numbers! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Douglas Brownell AKA Thomas Brownwell, Calligrapher, brownwell@home.com Dancer,Silversmith,Singer,Cobbler,... San Diego, CA Barony of Calafia, Caid The 4 elements = good physics stuff:: Or,a fountain, a chief rayonny gules. Goutte enough herald:: (Fieldless) A goutte barry wavy azure and argent. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 01:31:47 -0500 From: Lady Mylisant Subject: [scribes]: Silver Leaf? Is silver leaf a period material for illumination or would they have just used silver ink? I'm using an imitation silver leaf on the scroll I'm currently working on (to avoid future tarnishing) and wondered if it would be documentable. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V2 #66 ****************************