From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V2 #50 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Wednesday, June 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 050 In this issue: Re: [scribes]: What are you working on RE: [scribes]: Re: Specilize? Re: [scribes]: Introduction -Reply Re: [scribes]: Introduction -Reply -Reply Re: [scribes]: What are you working on [scribes]: Grisaille Info from JimBear RE: [scribes]: Outlining ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:10:10 -0400 From: "Jessica Wilbur" Subject: Re: [scribes]: What are you working on > In a message dated 98-06-02 19:46:18 EDT, Dorinda_E_Courtine- > White@notesbridge.cummins.com writes: > > << I am amazed the volume of work being produced by the people on this list. > I got all of the "what are you working on" responses at once and it is > amazing! Makes me proud to be a scribe! > > Dorinda Courtenay > (Dorinda Courtine-White) > > Shire of Heronter, AEthelmearc > (Jamestown, NY) > > > >> > Actually, I was feeling appalled at myself for not doing as much workas > everyone else on the list.....the matched Flemish scrolls are going out this > weekend and I had to paint a master for some invitations when I discovered how > badly I need my glasses prescription redone so I'm not gonna do anything > until.....well maybe I'll do some sketching when I'm at Lilies....and there > are some classes....and there is some sewing to finish up before > Saturday.....JimBear the slug > I know what you mean, JimBear! I was feeling the same way myself, but of course many of my other projects aren't scribal anyway... I finished a pair of antler dice a couple of weeks ago, and I've been doing research (and taste-testing!) on cheesemaking... and I'm working on some Irish garb. Just finished the leine (sleeves you could hide a small child in)... And my sister's getting married this weekend... I tend to work on one scribal project at a time-- partly because I have so many other projects going on, but it is kind of frustrating to be moving at a slower pace than I'd like. Oh well... only so many hours in the day! - --Muireann ni Riordain Ponte Alto, Atlantia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:57:47 -0400 From: Knott Deanna Subject: RE: [scribes]: Re: Specilize? OK, I am goingto chime in on this one as well... It used to look like I specialized in Gaelic. That was because Insular = miniscule was the only hand I could get to look like anything. Right now = I am specializing in screwing up pieces. I tried a Gothic hand (don't = remember which one) and screwed that up. I am having better luck with = Gothic rotunda though. (I really like this hand. I has some nice = capitals that look really cool next to the other letters.) And then I = screwed up my bunnies and vines. So right now my specialization is mistakes and learning from them :-) Thank you everybody for all of your help. Keep it coming! Yours, Avelina Keyes East Kingdom http://www.geocities.com/athens/academy/9523 __________________________________________________________________________= _____ From: Steve Roylance on Wed, Jun 3, 1998 02:50 Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: Specilize? To: scribes@castle.org David or Corinne Kohrn wrote: > > While I know several styles of calligraphy, I try to restrict myself to > one particular style at a time. If I am working on a large (week-long) > project in something Germanic, I find I need to stick to that script or > something similar for small projects done during that time. If I try = to > switch between Uncial and Gothic, my letter spacing is affected. If I > try to switch hands during a single writing session, my pen angles will > tend to average out, and I will twist the pen when I shouldn't. > Calote > dragonfly@w-link.net I like working best in northern Europe of the early to mid fifteenth = century, but I will try anything. The next scroll I intend to do as an Armenian cannon table = with a Greek text from 12th or 13th century. The hardest piece I ever did was a calligraphic time line with the name = of each script and the century it was used in on each line and do this for a dozen scripts. as ever Thorfinn, Lochac West Melbourne Australia - ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by mail.ndhm.gtegsc.com with SMTP;3 Jun 1998 02:50:08 -0400 Received: from 24.4.65.87 ("port 30706"@24.4.65.87) by Ballad.GSC.GTE.Com (PMDF V5.0-8 #18654) id <01IXS21AKVTU0001F3@Ballad.GSC.GTE.Com> for Knott.Deanna@mail.ndhm.gtegsc.com; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 23:39:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by castle.org (8.8.5/8.6.9) id XAA03236 for scribes-list; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 23:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moat.castle.org (moat.castle.org [129.46.92.29]) by castle.org (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA03232 for = ; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 23:36:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail01.ozramp.net.au ([203.42.253.2]) by moat.castle.org (8.8.5/8.8.5.s1) with ESMTP id XAA08371 for ; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 23:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corplink.com.au (dialup-166.melb.corplink.com.au [203.42.254.175]) by mail01.ozramp.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA20497 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 1998 17:34:58 +1000 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 16:31:54 +1000 From: Steve Roylance Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: Specilize? Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org To: scribes@castle.org Message-id: <3574EDDA.4BBE0DF9@corplink.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk References: <99a30bb8.35741ecc@aol.com> <3573C3EF.4E94@w-link.net> X-Authentication-warning: castle.org: majordomo set sender to owner-scribes@castle.org using -f ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 09:23:31 -0700 From: John Stracke Subject: Re: [scribes]: Introduction -Reply Steve Roylance wrote: > No is a very easy word to say and it usually comes out as > no, no, no problems Hence the term, "No-problem child". :-) /=================================================================\ |John Francis Stracke | http://www.thibault.org |S/MIME & HTML OK| |francis@thibault.org |===========================================| |Crosston, Mists, West| Any time somebody has a conditioned | |My LAN, my opinions. | response, they *always* think of Pavlov! | \=================================================================/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:32:51 EDT From: FITCHYBEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Introduction -Reply -Reply In a message dated 98-06-03 09:09:33 EDT, Mmacdonald@interqual.com writes: << Hi Avelina, you can pick up your money at pennsic ;-) Michel >> Anybody else on this list besides me going to Lilies???-JimBear, Caid ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:39:12 -0500 (EST) From: john j cash Subject: Re: [scribes]: What are you working on Dear folks, Jessica quotes: "<< I am amazed the volume of work being produced by the people on this list. > I got all of the "what are you working on" responses at once and it is > amazing! Makes me proud to be a scribe!" What calligraphy? I am working on my dissertation. - -- johannes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:29:31 -0500 From: "Dorinda E Courtine-White" Subject: [scribes]: Grisaille Info from JimBear Forwarded from JimBear: In a message dated 98-06-03 11:24:40 EDT, Dorinda_E_Courtine- White@notesbridge.cummins.com writes: << I may be the only person on the list who had to look up "grisaille", but on the rare chance that I wasn't, would you consider doing a "mind dump" to the list explaining what it is, what techniques you use etc.? You use the term frequently, and I bet some people aren't familiar with it. Thanks! Dorinda >> Oh sorry, but you'll be even sorrier now that you asked me about one of my fave subjects...... Grisaille is painting done in monochrome most often in shades of gray (gray scale) but there are examples of it in browns and reds. It was most notably brought to it's height by Jeanne Pucelle ( a demigod of art) in 14th c.northern france, although itwas used by Honore'........Pucelle's most famous compositions are currently on display at the Getty (i haven't gotten to see it yet) that being the hours of Jeanne d'Evereux. Refer to "MANUSCRIPT PAINTING AT THE COURT OF FRANCE"-Francois Avaril (Brazillier ISBN 0-8076-0879-3) All of this was based on the development of stained glass windows....what Pucelle and others did was use colour to isolate the action being discussed in the particular hour being read much like the stained glass window, so the central figures are isolated in tones of gray and stand out from the brilliance of a coloured backround. While the backround may be decorated, it is washed with colour so it hides extraineous subject matter. What you end up with is a vignette surrounded in jewell tones. Because of the use of the gray scale, the figure is modelled more naturally based on shading rather than outlining. The technique I teach (and this is all done from years of experimenting because I can't find documentation specifically pertaining to Grisaille technique) is to dilute sumi ink, (I prefer it to india it is very heavy and non water proof but if done right will stay where you put it) 20:1 distilled water to sumi so you end up with a very light gray (almost the colour of silverpoint if you've ever seen that) the drawing is made starting with the darkest areas first ( you need to know the total extent of your shading from darkest to lighest) and apply the diluted ink. You then add successive layers over the first and wider to the next level of shade the darkest will get darker because more pigment is being added to the area and the next darkest will be a shade lighter...... keep adding layers to build up your dark to the desired level with the shade going lighter and more diffuse. what you end up with is a modelled figure that will have alot of expression and natural "flow" ****NOTE**** this is an excellent technique for under painting when using yolk tempera, as you can then put colour over the figure in thin washes and all the shading will show through. -Hope this helps- JimBear ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:23:17 -0700 From: Karen Williams Subject: RE: [scribes]: Outlining Dorinda Courtenay writes: >I have started to make the switch to outlining with a brush, but I doubt I >will be able to wean myself from the tech pen completely! :-) I've never used a tech pen to outline, but brush outlining can be very frustrating. So, what I've been experimenting with (close your eyes, Morgan) is outlining using a crow quill. I've looked very closely at outlining done in manuscripts (both in books and in museum displays), and it looks like in many cases they used pen and ink. Since they didn't have technical pens, I suppose they used crow quills, too. Branwen ferch Emrys ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V2 #50 ****************************