From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V2 #42 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Monday, June 1 1998 Volume 02 : Number 042 In this issue: [scribes]: Modern letters (was:Abcderian sentences) [scribes]: RE:Burnishing tools [scribes]: mail order supplies [was]: Re: Nibs and ink ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 09:05:47 -0400 From: Knott Deanna Subject: [scribes]: Modern letters (was:Abcderian sentences) This is really, really cool information! (Have I told you guys I love = you lately?) Anyway, can you recommend a book where I can see examples of these = letters? I already kinda know what the thorn looks like, but I am = interested in the others. Oh, by the way, is it *bad* to outline my red and blue vines with a thin = line of black? I thought that was what I was *supposed to do and then = when I looked at my examples, I realized only the leaves were out lined = in black. This is for the bunny scroll I talked about a while ago. I = have a web page now and I will have it scanned so I can put it up there = after it is presented. Right now I just have the beginnings of my = cooking research there. Thanks, Avelina Keyes Du Pont Pursuivant Barony of the Bridge East Kingdom http://www.geocities.com/athens/academy/9523 __________________________________________________________________________= _____ From: Randy & Melody Asplund-Faith on Sat, May 30, 1998 16:28 Subject: [scribes]: Medieval letters To: scribes@castle.org > >Interesting. These sentences have no j,k,v, or w. When did = these >letters >enter our alphabet? >Nils Olafsson They >came in at different times and through different means. Did you know = that >before the gothic period there was not a dot over the "i"? However, it >was proper to dot over the "y". "i" and "j" are the same letter through >much of the middle ages and still show up that way on contemporary >archetecture, etc. when it is trying to be formal, classical. >Thorn and eth are two letters making norse/germanic "th" sounds. The >thorn started as a rune which looked like a "P" made by a staff with the >loop formrd by a triangle of two lines. In script it ended up looking a >lot like the letter we think of as "y", but whith a straight descending >left side and a open toppped curved loop on the right. It still gets = seen >around once in a while thanks to the English and Irish. >Eth is the th sound of "that" or "then" and is spelled a a "d" with a >slash through the ascender or through the vertical in the upper case >version. "U" and "V" are exactly the same letter. both the >straight and curved versions are appropriate for either spelling = depending >on time and place. I've seen both in the same script for both sounds. In >fact, in some cases, the "v" was used to start a word because it allowed = a >longer, more flourished lead in stroke. The Roman way of >spelling "W" is to write a double "U". Duh. Then later on, versions >appeared linking the two "U"s together. In the meantime, those nothern >european/norse types had a "www" sound which they already had a rune = for. >Enter the letter "wen". Wen looks almost indistinguishable from a lower >case "p" when written in pre-gothic insular script. Confused= >yet? Try ligatures and other conjoined letters. Ha! Just when you get = that >down, you discover medieval abreviations and .... Ranthulfr Asparlundr OL, KSCA Randy Asplund-Faith Science Ficion & Fantasy Illustration 2101 S. Circle Dr. Ann Arbor, MI. 48103 (734) 663-0954 http://www.provide.net/~randyaf - ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by mail.ndhm.gtegsc.com with SMTP;30 May 1998 16:28:03 -0400 Received: from 24.4.65.87 ("port 7448"@24.4.65.87) by Sonnet.GSC.GTE.Com (PMDF V5.0-8 #17886) id <01IXNFPE4N8Q00112N@Sonnet.GSC.GTE.Com> for Knott.Deanna@mail.ndhm.gtegsc.com; Sat, 30 May 1998 16:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by castle.org (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA10484 for scribes-list; Sat, 30 May 1998 13:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moat.castle.org (moat.castle.org [129.46.92.29]) by castle.org (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA10480 for = ; Sat, 30 May 1998 13:14:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web.provide.net (root@web.provide.net [207.206.116.35]) by moat.castle.org (8.8.5/8.8.5.s1) with ESMTP id NAA03154 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 13:14:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.206.117.16] (usr02-57.provide.net [207.206.117.121]) by web.provide.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA14818 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 16:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 16:18:00 -0400 (EDT) From: randyaf@provide.net (Randy & Melody Asplund-Faith) Subject: [scribes]: Medieval letters Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org X-Sender: randyaf@mailin.provide.net To: scribes@castle.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: castle.org: majordomo set sender to owner-scribes@castle.org using -f ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 09:22:13 -0400 From: Knott Deanna Subject: [scribes]: RE:Burnishing tools Hi y'all! Yes, I know I am going back a bit, but I thought I would update you all. I was at JoAnn Fabrics and Crafts yesterday wandering through their craft = department and I saw my new favorite gold leaf tool. It was hanging on = the display with the brass stencils for embossing *stuff*. So, I guess = it is an embossing tool. I LOVE this thing! I got the most beautiful = crispy clean lines on my teeny tiny gold leaves. (Um, yes, they did come = out a little smaller than I had wanted them to.) See ya! Avelina Keyes 'Per pale or and sable, in pale three keys fesswise counterchanged' http://www.geocities.com/athens/academy/9523 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:04:19 EDT From: RenScribe@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: mail order supplies [was]: Re: Nibs and ink Margaret Cameron asked for info on mail ordering supplies. There is a page of suppliers and how to contact them at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/2963/sources.html click on the link to materials and suppliers or scroll down to the bottom of the page. In reverence of chivalry and honor... I remain, Eibhlin ni Chaoimh AEthelmearc ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V2 #42 ****************************