From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V2 #40 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Sunday, May 31 1998 Volume 02 : Number 040 In this issue: [scribes]: payment for scrolls Re: [scribes]: payment for scrolls [scribes]: Re: letters (was: abecedarian sentences) Re: [scribes]: Charging for scrolls Re: Fwd: [scribes]: Letter of Introduction ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 13:12:45 -0400 From: Elyse Boucher <70521.3645@compuserve.com> Subject: [scribes]: payment for scrolls >Gentles all, > >I thought I would mention a recent development here in >Northshield. :) > >As those of us who have been on the list for quite some >time recall, there was a pretty heated discussion going on >about some kingdom customs regarding payment for scrolls >and deadlines for work. In the Middle, where I am, we work >under the assumption that the first scroll is free, and if >you want a second one, you commission it with expectation >that you will in some way reimburse the scribe, either by >paying a mutually agreeable price or by barter. This is a >payment policy more open than some kingdoms. On the other >hand, our deadline for work is extreme; one (or at best, >two) weeks notification of assignment, with the >expectation that the scribe will deliver a complete scroll >at the appropriate court. Promissaries are rarely used. >Consequently, lots of scribes hide in back rooms and >finish up scrolls on the day of an event. These were chief >among our complaints, that we are expected to do a large >number of scrolls, all original, at extreme deadlines, >completely at our own expense, and usually without thanks. > >This is just a recap, I'm not trying to restart the >discussion. The reason for the recap is that several of >the scribes here also crossposted our missives to Kingdom >and Principality lists, and I wanted those who receive >this missive to know what conditions we work under. > >Well, our words were heard! The Principality of >Northshield has started a fund for the reimbursement of >scribal materials. Now, whether or not our discussion >actually influenced this decision or not, I do not know, >but I like to believe it did. The fund is set up as a >donations-only fund; that is, there is nothing set aside >from the general funds, but, on the other hand, any money >donated to this fund does not go back to the general fund >at the end of the reign. Scribes may then present receipts >for materials to the fund for reimbursement. > >I'm so glad! It is a step in the right direction. > >Your servant, Merouda/Elyse > > > >Merouda Pendray: Caer Anterth, Northshield, Middle. >(Elyse C. Boucher: West Allis, Wisconsin, USA) > >Per pale sable and Or, a gryphon segreant countorney within an orle of >feathers counterchanged. "Semper ubi sub ubi" > http://members.tripod.com/~Pendray/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 14:08:51 -0400 (EDT) From: randyaf@provide.net (Randy & Melody Asplund-Faith) Subject: Re: [scribes]: payment for scrolls >>Gentles all, >> >>I thought I would mention a recent development here in >>Northshield. :) SNIP The Principality of >>Northshield has started a fund for the reimbursement of >>scribal materials. Snip Off This is a really great thing to hear! Good for Northshield! I also live in the Middle, where we have had fund raisers for the scribes on a Kingdom level before. We have also had special "coin" medalions struck on occaision to be given in thanks to scribes who have worked during a reign. (For those on the list who don't remember those things, I go back a little). The question I have is who determines what is a reasonable amount to reimburse for materials? Is it done per scroll? How will it be kept fair? If a good way of doing that is worked out I think it may be an inspirational model and a healthy step forward. Thinking back on the little copper coin medalions, I wonder if it might not even mean more if the crown had such coin tokens made each reign as gifts to anyone who helped them in a support role such as scribal stuff. What if a whole new set of craftsmen were exploited for free gifts- wait, I mean what if the Crown were to commission a design for pay from an artist ot of their own pockets (yeah, they are the ones thanking people) and a fundraiser paid for materials? Each reign would have coin style dates,etc. Hmmmm..... Or alternatively, instead of pilgrim badges, what about pewter cast Badges of Thanks to be worn the same way? These could be designed less frequently and also mass produced. Simple could be cheap, but meaningful. Ranthulfr Randy Asplund-Faith Science Ficion & Fantasy Illustration 2101 S. Circle Dr. Ann Arbor, MI. 48103 (734) 663-0954 http://www.provide.net/~randyaf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 12:42:59 -0700 From: guineth@juno.com (Emily SD Thompson) Subject: [scribes]: Re: letters (was: abecedarian sentences) On Sat, 30 May 1998 11:44:39 -0400 Nils Olafson writes: >Interesting. These sentences have no j,k,v, or w. When did these >letters enter our alphabet? K was a special letter for Latin writers, representing the Greek kappa, used at first only for a very few words of Greek etymology; c & q were used for that sound for the most part in writing Latin and in using the Latin alphabet. Many of the words we spell with a "k" now were more frequently spelled with a "c" in early period. For instance, knee, Middle English kne, knee, cneowe, Anglo-Saxon cneow, cneouu. W was in use as a single letter by the end of the 11th century, though instances of the use of uu continued for centuries. UU was occasionally ligatured as early as the 10th century. The letter pairs i & j, u & v are interchangeable throughout period. I & j were not differentiated until the 17th century; u & v were not firmly differentiated until the 18th century. Thorn and wen characters were also in use in Anglo-Saxon England, borrowed from Anglo-Saxon runes. But this program does not have the necessary characters to deal with that sort of thing .... &, in one form or another, was in use throughout period. It is a ligatured form of "et," the Latin word for "and." Hope this is what you wanted to know! Sister Guineth the White Belden Abbey Dragons Mist, An Tir guineth@juno.com mka: Emily Thompson Hillsboro, Oregon _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 13:26:35 -0700 From: John Stracke Subject: Re: [scribes]: Charging for scrolls Laurie wrote: > A few people have mentioned IIRC some small reimbursement programs > that Kingdoms have to help out scribes with supplies , but I don't > think I heard how those programs were funded. The West Kingdom scribe's handbook, in the section on the duties of the Chancellor (the Kingdom scribe in charge), under "Work with the College of Heralds", mentions, "Administer scribe tax funds"--which I guess means that the Western heralds take part of their registration fees and give it to the scribes for materials. I don't know if this actually happens, though, or even if I'm interpreting this right. Certainly I've never received anything for materials--but I haven't asked. (And I probably won't; I can afford it, so, if there is a fund, I'll leave it for scribes who need it. Besides, I don't want to be facing ethical questions like, "Gee, I think this tube of paint was paid for by the Kingdom; can I use it for a gift for my lady?". :-) /=================================================================\ |John Francis Stracke | http://www.thibault.org |S/MIME & HTML OK| |francis@thibault.org |===========================================| |Crosston, Mists, West| Any time somebody has a conditioned | |My LAN, my opinions. | response, they *always* think of Pavlov! | \=================================================================/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 13:30:36 -0700 From: John Stracke Subject: Re: Fwd: [scribes]: Letter of Introduction MRomero106@AOL.COM wrote: > I know in the Cynaguan (and probably the West in General) you are not allowed > to charge for scrolls period....if you do you will cease to be rostered. Oh, yeah, you're right. Here it is; the third paragraph of the policies section: > Producing award scrolls is supposed to be a contribution to the Society, not a > money- making opportunity. Any scribe who takes money for doing award scrolls > in the West will have their warrant pulled and will no longer be allowed to > scribe in the Kingdom of the West. The only exception to this policy is if the > recipient wants to use rather expensive "extras" on their scroll (i.e., gold > leaf and real vellum) you may ask them to pay for the materials unless you are > ready to pay for them yourself. /=================================================================\ |John Francis Stracke | http://www.thibault.org |S/MIME & HTML OK| |francis@thibault.org |===========================================| |Crosston, Mists, West| Any time somebody has a conditioned | |My LAN, my opinions. | response, they *always* think of Pavlov! | \=================================================================/ ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V2 #40 ****************************