From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V2 #35 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Saturday, May 30 1998 Volume 02 : Number 035 In this issue: Re: [scribes]: List problems & name contest. [scribes]: abecedarian sentences [scribes]: Book Question Re: [scribes]: Lectern or Table-long Re: [scribes]: Book Question [scribes]: Tracing pencils [scribes]: You know you're a scribe when... [scribes]: Letter of Introduction Re: [scribes]: You know you're a scribe when... Re: [scribes]: Letter of Introduction ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 23:44:57 -0400 From: morgandev@juno.com (Steven J Proctor) Subject: Re: [scribes]: List problems & name contest. Well, my good Lady, we are a people to whom words, and small differences in them, are extremely important, no? Morgan On Thu, 28 May 1998 08:30:52 -0400 Heather Swann writes: >John Stracke wrote: >> >> Heather Swann wrote: >> >> > I'd go for simplicity and register scascribes.com. >> >> scascribes.org would probably be more appropriate. >> >My goodness, we have so many literalists....fine, both are available >for >goodness' sake! :) > >Miri > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 21:11:11 EDT From: SCOTSWMMN@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: abecedarian sentences And then there's the ones from Drogin's Medieval Calligraphy, if you really want to impress the masses: Te canit adcelebratque polus rex gazifer hymnis. (the Hymn, oh treasure-bearing king, sings of you, and the (north?) pole also honors you.) Trans zephyrique globum scandunt tua facta per axem. (Your achievements rise across the earth and throughout the region of the zephyr.) BTW, such phrases are called "abecedarian" sentences...... please note that these phrases contain all of the letters that were available circa 790 c.e. (and not necessarily everything that's available today). Me? I haven't counted 'em, myself. Margaret Cameron the biblio: Drogin, Marc. Medieval Calligraphy: Its History and Technique. New York: Dover, 1989. ISBN: 0-486-26142-5 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 98 18:28:13 PDT From: Dyan Boven Subject: [scribes]: Book Question Gentle scribes, Here's another book question: Has anybody ever seen the book "Flemish = Illuminated Manuscripts c. 1475-1550" by Maurtis Smeyers and Jan Van der = Stock and have any opinions about its value or contributions to us scribe= s? Or if anybody knows about some other good books with flemish illumina= tions, those would be greatly appreciated, too. I'd like to try to get = more proficient in one particular style instead of just floating around = from one to the other (my wallet can't sustain that either). And since = my persona is flemish, I thought I might start researching in that direct= ion. Thanks, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tais van Vlaenderen mka Dyan Boven Kingdom of Caid Yucca Valley, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 21:38:27 EDT From: SCOTSWMMN@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Lectern or Table-long In a message dated 98-05-27 19:13:41 EDT, you write: << If the problem is more likely the nib, can you suggest alternatives? As noted above, I do like a fairly stiff nib >> Have you tried Brause nibs? They don't seem to have nearly the problems that the Speedball nibs have, and are stiff enough to give the proper variation: nice thin lines on the diagonals, and solidly even lines on the downstrokes. You don't mention what the other brand of nib was that you tried....... I use Higgins, too -- their waterproof black embossing ink is quite nice. Margaret Cameron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 22:15:53 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz (KHvS)" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Book Question Greetings Tais van Vlaenderen, "Flemish Illuminated Manuscripts" is an awesome book, it would be of great value to you. I own a copy and really like it. Another book you might be interested in is "The Golden Age of Dutch Manuscript Painting" published by George Braziller, Inc. ISBN: 0-8076-1228-6 (paperback) 0-8076-1227-8 (hardcover). Even though it is not the same country, Flanders is mostly part of Belgium today, but was also a part of modern day Holland (or The Netherlands). The styles are quite similar. Check out Amazon books at http://www.amazon.com I think they show the Flemish book as already being out of stock, but I can't comment on the Dutch book. They will search out all their resources to find you a copy should you request it, though. Good luck. You will not regret purchasing either of these books, should you be able to do so. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Meisterin Katarina Helene von Schoenborn, OL Seneschale of the Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana) Middle Kingdom ~~ Vert, a unicorn head couped close Argent, crinned and armed Or, and in sinister, a gore Or ~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 23:35:01 -0400 From: DC Subject: [scribes]: Tracing pencils I've decided to start tracing images from books in order to build up a library of images to use for scrolls. What would be a good fine lead pencil to use for such tracings? As usual, all help is appreciated Many thanks Brigantia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 00:02:22 EDT From: AngelODay@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: You know you're a scribe when... You know you're a scribe when you walk into the laides room at the local hot dog joint and can't take your eyes off the tiles in the bathroom. Wow.. they'd make a great scroll border! And Yes, I got a napkin and a pen and traced them off... ~~ Aine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 21:54:06 PDT From: "I.C. Kessler" Subject: [scribes]: Letter of Introduction Hallo. Per the Majordomo's instructions I submit this letter of introduction. I am Lady Isabel of the Barony of Seleone in the Incipient Principality of Gleann Abhainn("glen áv-en")in the Kingdom of Meridies. I am a companion of the Meridian Cross and Companion of the Velvet Owl. My specialties are illumination and calligraphy and I have dabbled in period pigments & binders. I also participate in SCA equestrian activities and heraldic display. I have taught classes locally on the history of hiberno-saxon book decoration (Celtic illumination) and making crests for equestrian tournaments and pas d'armes. I do a lot of work with Gulf Wars. I make a lot of original scrolls for the asking, I have a current backlog of 3. As you may know in Meridies we don't charge for scrolls, I understand that in some places they do. I paint blank photocopies for promossory scrolls and have submitted a couple of blanks for master copies. A scroll I recently finished was given a "masterwork" designation at our most recent Kingdom A&S. I'm quite proud of that. I use WN and Holbein gouache, speedball nibs sanded down to the size I need them, Higgins ink and Sumi pan gold. My real gold leaf and pigments I bought at pennsic. It seemed a medieval thing to do. :) I don't have any work on the net but if you have a program book from Gulf War 5 or 7 the covers are my work. I have been lurking on the server for a month or so. As Isabel C. Kessler I was raised a military brat and now live in Biloxi, MS and work at a casino. I have some goodly knowledge of horses and trees and forest management as well as contemporary art materials and techniques. I look forward to picking your brains and will gladly submit any info I have which seems useful. - Isabel. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 01:12:17 -0400 From: Jim Thomas Subject: Re: [scribes]: You know you're a scribe when... Sweet lady, I know with precise joy of what you speak. The Fashion Museum at Kent State University provides many influences for base patterns for my black work designs. Perhaps there could be something to this, a new twist on "You show me yours..." (laughing) I suppose it goes to show that if you look, there is an astounding array of just nifty STUFF out there, eh? YIS WBK, Philem Liam MacIllhatton AngelODay@aol.com wrote: > You know you're a scribe when you walk into the laides room at the local hot > dog joint and can't take your eyes off the tiles in the bathroom. Wow.. > they'd make a great scroll border! And Yes, I got a napkin and a pen and > traced them off... > > ~~ Aine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 22:51:54 -0700 From: John Stracke Subject: Re: [scribes]: Letter of Introduction I.C. Kessler wrote: > As you may know in Meridies we don't charge for scrolls, > I understand that in some places they do. Really? I hadn't heard that. I know that some people will commission a scroll if they want a particular scribe to do it in a particular way; but, every place I've been, the default is that, scrolls are free if you're willing to wait your turn. :-) OK, so now who's going to contradict me? :-) /=================================================================\ |John Francis Stracke | http://www.thibault.org |S/MIME & HTML OK| |francis@thibault.org |===========================================| |Crosston, Mists, West| Any time somebody has a conditioned | |My LAN, my opinions. | response, they *always* think of Pavlov! | \=================================================================/ ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V2 #35 ****************************