From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V1 #68 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Wednesday, February 18 1998 Volume 01 : Number 068 In this issue: Re: [scribes]: Scribal Signatures -Reply [scribes]: Re: Sketch Books (was Critique) Re: [scribes]: Sketch Books (was Critique) [scribes]: Re: Mistakes Re: [scribes]: Re: Re: How to critique Re: [scribes]: Re: Mistakes Re: [scribes]: Scribal Signatures -Reply ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:32:02 EST From: FITCHYBEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Scribal Signatures -Reply In a message dated 98-02-18 00:18:14 EST, kcoutinho@midlink.com writes: << As far as signing the front, the Constellation Region has been starting to register maker's marks for any interested scribes, and some of them are delightful. >> Cool idea about registering the makers mark........the only problem is now I'm changing my maker's mark from a golden bear paw print to a quartered cross crosslet fitchy vert and argent-JimBear ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:31:59 EST From: FITCHYBEAR@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Re: Sketch Books (was Critique) In a message dated 98-02-17 21:44:54 EST, lindap@ipass.net writes: << But then a sketch book would be wonderful to work on technique and keep everything together. >> The other thing about sketchbook art is if an art auction comes up, i have a fully coloured piece to contribute. I've done this a couple of times, and because I had done the full size mock-up which I traced and transferred to the scroll, I still had the tracing paper in the file drawer. People ocassionally look through my sketchbook and ask "what's that?" oh it's from so and so's Laurel scroll or something I discarded for whoits AoA......JimBear ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:16:01 -0500 From: Heather Swann Subject: Re: [scribes]: Sketch Books (was Critique) I can see that a sketch book would be a good thing for those who can draw. Speaking as someone who can trace really well (well enough to do peerage level scrolls in one kingdom), I always keep a file of traced elements that I can reuse. The problem I always have with working out colour and technique is that if I tried a practice run, I'd get it perfect, then the 'for real' run would look like junk- no joke. No matter how much I've tried to get that way of working down, it really always works best for me if I leap right in and follow my inspiration. Otherwise, the work seems lifeless and flat. I've found the only thing I can practice over beforehand and get right is the calligraphy, probably because it should always look a certain way according to the hand you're using. Illumination, on the other hand, can vary within the same style. Miri > At 12:46 PM 2/17/98 EST, JimBear wrote: > > >> I am also a firm believer in sketchbook work where you take elements of the > >>scroll you are working on and work them out in your sketchbook, then put the > >>brush to them there to work out technique, colour etc. I find this works > well > >>with my students as it gives the immediate gratification that they need that > >>would otherwise cause them to jump in with both feet only to find that they > >>have landed in not so nice stuff. > > > > Cool. I've never used a sketch book, I think I'll get one. My sketches are > everywhere. I start a lot of layouts on AutoCAD because it's so easy to > change stuff around. But then a sketch book would be wonderful to work on > technique and keep everything together. > > I hear you about jumping in with both feet - I started a Visconti style > scroll for a friend of mine and quickly found myself in way over my head. I > wound up making some compromises that didn't work out real well :( . > > Genevieve > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:26:41 -0600 From: Dawn Vukson-Van Beek Subject: [scribes]: Re: Mistakes Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:10:40 -0500 From: ab873@jepms4.jep.cummins.com Subject: [scribes]: Re: Mistakes PETERSR@spiegel.becltd.com wrote: Miri wrote: >>>Mistakes happen, and will on every scroll. >>My preference for dealing with this would be to put on some nice period >>music and have people not talk. But is that realistic? Should I just >>resign myself to never try and do anything verbal (painting seems to work >>ok) with others around? What do the rest of you do? >I hate to say it, but yes, resign yourself to solitude. I disagree- When working on a scroll I do my best work listening to *opera*! The music stimulates my artistic brain but my language brain isn't engaged because I don't know the language. I did my best work ever listening to the entire Wagner Ring cycle. This wouldn't work if you are familiar with the language- (German or Italian). I've found that Gregorian chant works well too- though I do wish I spoke Latin! Lucia Porzia Sforza di Firenze modernly known as Dawn Vukson-Van Beek ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:24:06 -0500 From: Heather Swann Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: Re: How to critique FITCHYBEAR@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-02-17 14:00:34 EST, heather@pop.net writes: > > << I keep a folder of various elements I've traced to use over again on > other scrolls. > > Miri > >> > Wow! You can keep all yours in a folder??? my wife gave me a drawer in the > file cabinet........JimBear Well, I have full sheets of tracing paper that are FULL of traced elements, and when I say folder, I mean accordion folder.... ;) I try to keep similar elements together- borders, plants, styles of figures.... Miri ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:26:27 -0500 From: Heather Swann Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: Mistakes FITCHYBEAR@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-02-17 13:15:09 EST, ab873@jepms4.jep.cummins.com writes: > > << I hate to say it, but yes, resign yourself to solitude. I have to have > complete quiet and no interuptions and I *still* have to check almost > every letter and word. >> > > This may sound wierd but I have to have the T.V. on when I paint. What I have > found best for me though is to put in my tape of The Seven Samurai though I > get the white noise of human speech, I can't understand the language even that > demi-god Toshiro....JimBear I usually throw in Excalibur or the StarWars trilogy....it keeps me from being distracted by the silence, and yet I know them so well by this point, I don't have to watch to keep up.... Miri ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:32:14 -0500 From: Heather Swann Subject: Re: [scribes]: Scribal Signatures -Reply FITCHYBEAR@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-02-18 00:18:14 EST, kcoutinho@midlink.com writes: > > << As far as signing the front, the Constellation Region has been starting to > register maker's marks for any interested scribes, and some of them are > delightful. >> > > Cool idea about registering the makers mark........the only problem is now I'm > changing my maker's mark from a golden bear paw print to a quartered cross > crosslet fitchy vert and argent-JimBear Mine has always been a swan with a sprig of heather in its beak- my badge. I often put it over mistakes, or if it will fit in a miniature I use it there, or put it in a corner. I also put sleeping scribes over mistakes- it's a period practice, and when I saw it in several manuscripts, I felt so much better about my own level of skill! ;) Miri ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V1 #68 ****************************