From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V1 #55 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Thursday, February 12 1998 Volume 01 : Number 055 In this issue: Re: [scribes]: Scribal Signatures Re: [scribes]: Scribal Signatures Re: [scribes]: Scribal Signatures [scribes]: Re: signatures [scribes]: handouts from classes? [scribes]: handouts from classes? [scribes]: handouts from classes? Re: [scribes]: Scribal Signatures [scribes]: signature ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:15:57 -0800 From: guineth@juno.com (Emily SD Thompson) Subject: Re: [scribes]: Scribal Signatures On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:24:47 -0800 Trish Waldon writes: >... what kinds of scribal "signatures" people know about. I >have seen the "So-and-So Made Me" type of signature ... any others? > >Rowan Oldway of Oakhaven >Barony of Darkwood, Mists, the West > I use my calligraphic monogram most often, and work it into the design. For the SCA it is a "G" with a flower bud twiddle at the end of the descender (trite, I know). For mundane work it is a offset-overlapped calligraphic "ET", and the last two digits of the year. I also write my name (whichever version is appropriate) and the year on the back of the work in pencil, with a little information about the scroll, e.g. type of paper used, type of paints, gilding if any and method, fixative if any, etc. I am experimenting with another way of signing my work, specifically on certain types of early-style scrolls. I came across a line filler of scarlet ink in period works -- a wider top line, a wider bottom line, and a thin deeply wavy line done with a pointed rather than a broad nib between. (Actually, it looks like the whole thing was done with a flexible nib, such as is used for copperplate style.) I have adapted this to a top line, a bottom line, and "scr. e.s.d.thompson" or "scripsit sr. guineth" between, all lower case script, with, depending on the size, either my 1/2 mm Brause nib or a crow quill. I find that I am reluctant to sign the front of my work in any way which will draw attention from the art itself. Is this what you wanted to know? Sister Guineth the White Dragons Mist, An Tir guineth@juno.com mka Emily Thompson Hillsboro, Oregon _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 03:00:48 -0800 From: guineth@juno.com (Emily SD Thompson) Subject: Re: [scribes]: Scribal Signatures "Faciebat" means "Made by." Sister Guineth the White Dragons Mist, An Tir guineth@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 07:17:08 +0100 From: David Columbus Subject: Re: [scribes]: Scribal Signatures > >I find that I am reluctant to sign the front of my work in any way which >will draw attention from the art itself. > > > Sister Guineth the White > Dragons Mist, An Tir > guineth@juno.com As I consider any award piece I do a piece of art, I sign it on the front, as delicately as possible, with the circle C, my name and the year. It was drummed into my head that you sign everything you create, with you real name. And I feel that it shouldn't be any different for SCA pieces. Are there any other scribes/artists who share this opinion? B'wana Christofano - ------------- Dave Columbus pearvert@pobox.com Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig! _ Mark Twain ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 05:04:35 PST From: "Elyse Boucher" Subject: [scribes]: Re: signatures Hello, friends. :) I generally sign "per mano Merouda" (By the hand of ...) or with a stylized self portrait. Merouda Pendray: Caer Anterth, Northshield, Middle. (Elyse C. Boucher: West Allis, Wisconsin, USA) Per pale sable and Or, a gryphon segreant countorney within an orle of feathers counterchanged. "Semper ubi sub ubi" http://members.tripod.com/~Pendray/index.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 05:14:00 PST From: "Jim Hart" Subject: [scribes]: handouts from classes? Hi! Greetings! Salutations! ect... Anyone out there have handouts from scribal classes they have taught? I'm basically self taught and and looking to start collecting information on stuff I haven't tried yet, for myself and the couple of other scribes I'm trying to help get started. I'm one of those people who can never seem to find the time at an event to go to a class, to busy fighting or too busy volunteering for something. I'm looking for... Ideas/techinques/pigments for whitework ( the highlights on leaves, letters ...) More shapes for leaves for bar and ivy. Techinques for Period pigments and inks. Directions for cutting quills. Recipies for Peiod Inks. Basic advice .... ect. ... I've been working with modern materials for about 4 years and want to brancht out a bit, try something new try more period work. I'll send a self addressed stamped envolpe if you need one, just let me know. Jim Hart 435 N. Fort Thomas Ave APT2 Fort Thomas, Ky 41063 Thanks in advance!! Conal O'hAirt Oaken Regoinal Signet Midrealm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 05:23:16 PST From: "Jim Hart" Subject: [scribes]: handouts from classes? Hi! Greetings! Salutations! ect... Anyone out there have handouts from scribal classes they have taught? I'm basically self taught and and looking to start collecting information on stuff I haven't tried yet, for myself and the couple of other scribes I'm trying to help get started. I'm one of those people who can never seem to find the time at an event to go to a class, to busy fighting or too busy volunteering for something. I'm looking for... Ideas/techinques/pigments for whitework ( the highlights on leaves, letters ...) More shapes for leaves for bar and ivy. Techinques for Period pigments and inks. Directions for cutting quills. Recipies for Peiod Inks. Basic advice .... ect. ... I've been working with modern materials for about 4 years and want to brancht out a bit, try something new try more period work. I'll send a self addressed stamped envolpe if you need one, just let me know. Jim Hart 435 N. Fort Thomas Ave APT2 Fort Thomas, Ky 41063 Thanks in advance!! Conal O'hAirt Oaken Regoinal Signet Midrealm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 05:24:53 PST From: "Jim Hart" Subject: [scribes]: handouts from classes? Hi! Greetings! Salutations! ect... Anyone out there have handouts from scribal classes they have taught? I'm basically self taught and and looking to start collecting information on stuff I haven't tried yet, for myself and the couple of other scribes I'm trying to help get started. I'm one of those people who can never seem to find the time at an event to go to a class, to busy fighting or too busy volunteering for something. I'm looking for... Ideas/techinques/pigments for whitework ( the highlights on leaves, letters ...) More shapes for leaves for bar and ivy. Techinques for Period pigments and inks. Directions for cutting quills. Recipies for Peiod Inks. Basic advice .... ect. ... I've been working with modern materials for about 4 years and want to brancht out a bit, try something new try more period work. I'll send a self addressed stamped envolpe if you need one, just let me know. Jim Hart 435 N. Fort Thomas Ave APT2 Fort Thomas, Ky 41063 Thanks in advance!! Conal O'hAirt Oaken Regoinal Signet Midrealm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:43:05 From: Martha Knowles Subject: Re: [scribes]: Scribal Signatures At 01:24 PM 2/11/98 -0800, you wrote: >Hi, everyone, > >A question occurred to me as I was ruminating (sounds like a cow, doesn't >it!) about the discussion on this list last month about recognition of >scribes. I understand that it is not forbidden for a scribe to sign their >work, and that more and more historic examples are known, so I would like >to ask the list what kinds of scribal "signatures" people know about. I >have seen the "So-and-So Made Me" type of signature ... any others? In Meridies, we encourage our scribes to pencil their name and group name on the back of scrolls they paint (these are the pre-printed scrolls that we color by hand). I don't tend to put the date on there, because a date will be added when the scroll is given out. I have seen some scribes include a note about the colors they used or any special embellishments they've added. For original scrolls, I've seen scribes write their name very small in the corner of some part of the design. I've also seen an example where the scribe used her main device charge, a swan, as the picture inside the main letter at the top. She painted the swan at an easel. That scroll was full of other things very meaningful to the recipient (who actually carried it around to some events to show everybody before it went up on his wall.) Blessings, Marthe Elsbeth Thor's Mountain, Meridies ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:02:22 -0500 From: ab873@jepms4.jep.cummins.com Subject: [scribes]: signature I usually put a small bottony cross in the lower left hand corner of scrolls I create. It is usually unobtrusive, but then i tent toward "busy" scrolls with lots of leaves and vines anyway. I generally don't do any visible marking on a scroll that someone else illuminates and I just calligraph. Those usually get a pencil marking on the back. Dorinda Courtenay (Dorinda Courtine-White) Shire of heronter, AEthelmearc ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V1 #55 ****************************