From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V1 #31 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Tuesday, February 3 1998 Volume 01 : Number 031 In this issue: [scribes]: ? regarding tech pens [scribes]: Newbie Intro Re: Re: [scribes]: Free Heraldry Re: [scribes]: Free Heraldry Re: [scribes]: Burnisher solution [scribes]: when using bristol board... [scribes]: promissories.... Re: [scribes]: ? regarding tech pens ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 17:22:18 PDT From: Holly_Sullivan@elric.maximumaccess.com (Holly Sullivan) Subject: [scribes]: ? regarding tech pens This is kinda long.. my apologies for wandering. What's the recommended way (if there is one) to clean technical pens? I have a Reform brand set (made in W. Germany) that I bought at least 10 years ago; I think they were used once. (At least I didn't pay much for them; the set of four was on a clearance table at this little office supply place on a back street. I think I paid $12 for the set of four.) Any ideas welcome. Yes, I'm leaning towards buying a new set of pens eventually.. but it would be nice if I didn't have to right away. Finding a job to pay my rent increase comes first. :-p I don't remember if I did an introduction or not.,. someone nudge me if I forgot. :-) Anyway, as I said in an earlier post, I want to take up my calligraphy pen again; I always enjoyed practicing & doing calligraphy, though I never felt confident enough to do more than practice. (I.e., too scared to try a "real" scroll for someone.) When I was living in Trimaris, we used Xeroxed promissory scrolls, yes, on a decent pseudo-parchment. People receiving awards were put on a list to get a "real" scroll, with some exceptions for very special awards like Knighthood and the like. In the beginning scribal classes that I went to, acrylics were used along with some watercolors, for the purposes of doing practice worksheets. I do remember mention made of a particular type of opaque bottled _ink_ that was recommended for doing scrolls, but I don't remember the brand name. Mind you, I only went to three or four of the classes, but I never once heard the word "gouache" mentioned in those few classes. This was about 5 years ago or so; I like to think that perhaps things have improved since then. I have to admit that five years ago, I barely knew what gouache was, myself. I've seen some lovely scrolls done partially with acrylics FWIW. I don't plan on using them myself except for practicing illumination techniques; what experiences has everyone else had with them? I think I would rather practice techniques & layout with the cheap acrylics than with the $$$ gouaches. Just a thought I had, wanted to ask for other opinions. :-) - -- Via DLG2000 v1.2.4 :)---Holly---<--<-@ * Barony of Calafia, CAID * San Diego, CA * (grin) TechnoMages Guild BBS 619 549-0278 http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/4201 Quarterly barry wavy, argent and sable, and gules, a mermaid displayed proper between in bend sinister two compass-stars sable, fimbriated argent. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:41:35 EST From: TurboWolf@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: Newbie Intro Greetings and salutations, I have been active in the SCA since A.S. XXX, with Thirty Year being my second event. As I am new to all this I have planned to try everything I can. Since I found this list, and followed it closely, I have obtained a set of Gouache Paints, several Osmiriod pens, and lots of paper. Now I need to figuire out how to use them. But what the heck, Life is too short to not have fun. Of course like all males, the testosterone has flowed and I fight both Heavy and Rapier, and am also the Baronial Chirurgeon of Glymm Mere, here in An Tir. Mundanely I am a Police Sergeant, Arson Investigator and Rescue Diver. So to me I love the time away from work and the comarderie I have found with the gang. Now, on to the mess I have gotten myself into with the Scribal Arts. Connor Hume Glymm Mere, An Tir (Sgt. Dave Stiles) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:31:33 -0500 From: Margaret Richardson Subject: Re: Re: [scribes]: Free Heraldry Your point is well taken re: some people are unwilling to make any changes in their devices. I have heard that if a person is willing to release their device for someone else's use that can be done--but I would not know how to go about it. - ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: Amberglyph@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Free Heraldry Date: 02/02/98 08:06am I have been active in the Herald's College for 8 years and I agree with most of your observations. However, the system has been streamlined somewhat and now only requires 2 differences from registered armory. They also have drastically limited the mundane arms we check against. When we joined we were told to not even try to register arms with a dragon, a lion, or a unicorn on them, well, our son has a lion, our daughter has a unicorn, and our household badge is a dragon. It can be done. Most people who can't get their arms registered aren't willing to make any changes to conform to the rules of heraldry. I don't know what to do about 'defuct' arms, those held by dead or inactive members. The college has taken the stand that registered arms are forever, just like in the Middle Ages. I think anything else would be an administrative nightmare. HL Oriana Corbizzi Per pale nebuly, a vol within a double tressure sable ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:26:34 EST From: Amberglyph@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Free Heraldry On releasing arms. The person wishing to release their arms needs to write a letter to the Herald's College stating their wishes. People often do this when they wish to register new arms and don't care if anyone uses the old ones. A person can also give permission to conflict with their registered arms to someone whose arms are too close in design to the registered arms. This is usually done for someone in the same mundane family, or in the same SCA household. You don't have to be inactive in the SCA to release your arms, in fact, inactive members hardly ever bother with this. HL Oriana Corbizzi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:48:45 +0000 From: gevehard@juno.com (Garret C Bitker) Subject: Re: [scribes]: Burnisher solution You Wrote: Master Ranthulfr Asparlundr, KSCA PS. Next week I dare somebody to ask about wax tablets! O.K. I'll bite, I have seen others use these at events I have a couple of friends that would love them, the frames are no problem, how do I make the wax to apply in them, a recipe would be great. Thanks. Gevehard von Baden _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 00:53:41 EST From: SuZaimware@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: when using bristol board... when using bristol board for a scroll, do you "paint" in a parchmenty-colored (say ivory) background? Or just leave the natural color (soft white) of the bristol board? if you do paint, what color(s) do you use? I assume they would be quite dilute, more of a wash than anything... Many thanks! Maryz the Somewhat Scattered (who just finished her first attempt at an illuminated S, a simplification of the one in the Illuminated Alphabet book with the French leaves--of course it was on practice board, not a real scroll, but it's a start!!!! Of course, the only calligraphy hand I'm any good at is carolingean miniscule, which is a bit early for French leaves, but i'll probably have an easier time learning a new hand than conquering interlacing and acanthus leaves! any favorites out there for a hand to match up with that style?) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 00:53:39 EST From: SuZaimware@aol.com Subject: [scribes]: promissories.... I was at an event this past weekend where some promissories were given out for a new court baron/baroness....they took Dover Celtic borders and created a frame around the calligraphy, then used markers to color them in and calligraphy for the text (didn't get close enough to see if it was computer generated or hand done)....there was no mistaking it for a "real" scroll, but it was a lot nicer than something typed up in mundane fonts! Just thought I'd pass along given the earlier discussion on promissories/scrolls/deadlines....(this was in the Kingdom of Atlantia, btw) Enjoy! Maryz the Somewhat Scattered ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 01:20:22 EST From: PTS21@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: ? regarding tech pens In a message dated 98-02-02 20:32:35 EST, Holly_Sullivan@elric.maximumaccess.com writes: << What's the recommended way (if there is one) to clean technical pens? >> We have a sonic jewelry cleaner that does a pretty good job on both tech pens and cartridge style calligraphy pens. Most of the sonic cleaners come with directions including a warning to not use it for more than 5 or 10 minutes at a shot as that will burn out the motor. The pen cleaning solution I use in it is mostly distilled water, good dish detergent (Ivory Free), and a little bit of ammonia. When I have been particularly neglectful of my pens, I sometimes find I need to soak them for a few days in the cleaning solution. Before I had the sonic cleaner, I was able to clean some of my pens with a simple soaking--it depends on how badly the ink has solidified in the pen as well as how corrosive the ink was. Some people decide to be very brave (read that "foolhardy") and slide the wire out of the inside of the pen tips on the tech pens. I've done it with pens that couldn't be cleaned any other way. It work in, maybe, ten percent of the pens and never really well in the real fine points. I don't recommend it at all. If you have friends who work in Chemistry labs, they often have access to sonic cleaners. Ask if they are willing to clean your pens for you. Good Luck, Cori Ghora, deputy Signet AEthelmearc Clare Jackson, North Tonawanda, NY (Just north of Buffalo) pts21@aol.com ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V1 #31 ****************************