From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V1 #25 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Sunday, February 1 1998 Volume 01 : Number 025 In this issue: Re: [scribes]: watercolor v. gouache Re: [scribes]: beginner questions--back to gouache again!!! Re: [scribes]: Celtic Red Dots? Re: [scribes]: Re: Hagiography [scribes]: Getty Trip ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:06:01 -0500 From: randyaf@provide.net (Randy & Melody Asplund-Faith) Subject: Re: [scribes]: watercolor v. gouache >!! Opinion Alert !! >Forgive my impertinence but I have been led to believe that watercolors >are an acceptable period paint, is this not true? I currently prefer >watercolor to gouache for most of my scroll projects, >Gevehard von Baden >Middle, Northshield, Inner Sea Dear Gevehart, Watercolor is fine ground pigment bound in gum arabic. Gum arabic is the sap of the acacia bush. It was imported to medieval europe, but the local saps from plum, cherry, and, oh I forget what else, were used for the same thing and called gum. So, basicly, your gum arabic watercolor is as close to the same stuff as it needs to be to be a medieval paint. The Daniel Thompson MATERIALS AND TECHNIQUES OF MEDIEVAL PAINTING talks about this. It is a cheap book from DOVER. Gum was used all through our SCA period and goes back as far as painting. It is the pigments you use which are more likely to get you off track as far as accuracy goes. Keep one thing in mind. Modern watercolors are ground REALLY fine because the adhesion is expected to come part from the binder, but also a lot from sinking into the OPEN fiber network of watercolor paper. If you are using tat kind of paper, I presume you are not trying for a period paint film look.If you are using a reasonable paper, and you are putting watercolors on more opaquely, you probably have a weak paintfilm. The reason for that is in period they had the ability to put more binder into their gum paint. Consider modern watercolors to be under bound. The "binder" is the technical word for the glue which holds the color to the page. In this case "gum". Ranthulfr Asparlundr OL. KSCA Randy Asplund-Faith 2101 S. Circle Dr. Ann Arbor, MI. 48103 http://www.provide.net/~randyaf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:15:10 -0800 From: janet Subject: Re: [scribes]: beginner questions--back to gouache again!!! Leslie Schweitzer wrote: > There is also Daniel Smith, a mail > order company out of Seattle which may have a storefront (although I don't > knwo if it does.) I also seem to recall daniel Smith has decent prices for > Gouaches. They are expensive paints and finding some place with good prices > is valuable. I have placed many orders with Daniel Smith and have generally been very happy with their service. They have a nice large reference catalog that comes out annually. DS's prices are decent. The DS brands are good quality at good prices, like the DS Oxgall. They carry the W&N gouches and this year started carrying Linel gouches (I don't anything about this brand). To get a catalog call 1-800-426-6740 or 1-800-426-7923, ask for the reference catalog. Jennet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:45:29 -0800 (PST) From: Jenn Subject: Re: [scribes]: Celtic Red Dots? For anyone making a trip to Portland, OR any time in the future, i was in their Wilson Rare Book Room the other day and saw a copy of the Book of Kells, they only allow ya to look at one book at at ime and I was already looking at an austrian emperours (cripes, I can't spell tonight) psalter, and then the rare book room's hours were over, so I didn't get to look at it...so if you come up to Portland, it's in the main library branch right off the max line, I believe it's the main Multnomah County Library branch, it can't be checked out or even taken from the room, but its a free way to look at it (well, ya gotta temporarily give up your driver's license as a type of collateral, but that ain't much) ************************************************************* * Jenn Reed * Today is the Tomorrow * * audacity@teleport.com * You Dreamed of Yesterday * ************************************************************* * Shire of Stromgard / Barony of Three Mountains - An Tir * * Vancouver, Washington / Portland, Oregon - USA * ************************************************************* * GoHS4PS2 TJt84in2 PDoSoSh B9/16Bk"2 cBk(Dbr)-w8 V7S * * M3plwD zTeiTecJas C6omp a16+(17) n6 b56 H175 g4A0295A * * mEa28@Z3? w6T v1 r7BI p1ZZZZz D55! h5(TAnPTg)(PR) SF9M * * SsNn k3mWT N0292O RzS*2p6 LusWA5 * ************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:46:39 EST From: Luiseach@aol.com Subject: Re: [scribes]: Re: Hagiography In a message dated 01/31/98 07:39:12, Celynen of Stow-on-the-Wold wrote: <> The first URL is apparently no longer correct, but the second one will link you to the Online Calendar of Saints' Days. Luighseach nic Lochlainn who was born on St. Finian's Day--and here I'd gone all these years lamenting that I was 3 and a half hours early for St. Patrick. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 22:36:09 -0800 From: Laurie Subject: [scribes]: Getty Trip I went to the new Getty Center Museum today, and I gotta say I loved it. Spectatular setting, wonderful architecture, beautiful galleries and two rooms full of stunning illuminated manuscripts. If you are in the Los Angeles area, or plan to visit, make a point of going. You need a reservation to park there(it costs $5.00), but if you can't get reservations, you can come by bus or taxi and you may be able to come without a reservation weekdays after 5:00 (they are open until 9:00 pm on weekdays.) They have a wonderful bookstore with lots of books on illuminated manuscripts. I picked up "Western European Illuminated Manuscripts" of the 8th to the 16th Centuries in the National Library of Russia, St. Petersburg. It has a ton of pictures I've never seen anywhere before (which may not mean much, I don't have that many books :) It's by Tamara Voronova and Alexander Sterligov, published by Parkstone Press, Bournemouth and Aurora ARt Publishers, ST. Petersburg, ISBN 1-85995-240-2. Cost $55.00 at the Getty. cheers aliskye Los Angeles, CA/Lyondemere, Caid aliskye@pacbell.net ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V1 #25 ****************************