From: owner-scribes@castle.org (scribes digest) To: scribes-digest@castle.org Subject: scribes digest V1 #17 Reply-To: Sender: owner-scribes@castle.org Errors-To: owner-scribes@castle.org Precedence: bulk scribes digest Thursday, January 29 1998 Volume 01 : Number 017 In this issue: [scribes]: Celtic Red Dots Re: [scribes]: Celtic Red Dots? Re: [scribes]: Celtic Red Dots? [scribes]: Re: Celtic Red Dots? Re: [scribes]: What to do . . . Re: [scribes]: What to do . . . ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:23:15 -0800 From: "Carolyn Richardson" Subject: [scribes]: Celtic Red Dots >>I'm working on a Book of Kells style scroll and I'm coming up to the point where I need to put those little red dots here and there around things. Any advice to keeping them neat and consistent in size?<< I cheat and use a technical pen ;-) Tetchubah of Greenlake Kingdom of Caid ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:48:19 -0500 From: "Helen Schultz" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Celtic Red Dots? Hello Aliskye, If you look at the dots of the page you are using as a reference under a strong magnifying glass, you will notice they are little triangles. To me, it looks as though they used a very, very small nib (quill) to make the dots. If you have a Brause EF-66 or a Speedball crowquill, they will work if you shake out most of the paint before touching the pen to the paper. Practice a bit on a couple pieces of scrap paper first. You may need to have your workspace at a slant to do this as neither of these nibs have reservoirs. Give it a try. Also, the dots are not red, they are actually a red-orange. If you have some vermilion gouache, it will probably be fairly close. I have found that red-orange stick ink is almost the exact match to my facsimile copy of the Kells. Or, you could fill a technical pen with your "paint" and use that. Whichever works the best for you. > > I'm working on a Book of Kells style scroll and I'm coming up to the > point where I need to put those little red dots here and there around > things. Any advice to keeping them neat and consistent in size? > > cheers > > aliskye > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Meisterin Katarina Helene von Schoenborn, OL Shire of Narrental (Peru, Indiana) Middle Kingdom ~~ Vert, a unicorn head couped close Argent, crinned and armed Or, and in sinister, a gore Or ~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:36:31 -0600 From: "ches" Subject: Re: [scribes]: Celtic Red Dots? Yes, use a round tooth pick and keep it from mashing the point. It works very well for us here in the steppes, (Dallas). I personally use a very fine sable brush. But when we are in a crunch for that type of scroll we use round tooth picks. Ches - -----Original Message----- From: Laurie Jenkins To: scribes@castle.org Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 5:42 PM Subject: [scribes]: Celtic Red Dots? >I'm working on a Book of Kells style scroll and I'm coming up to the >point where I need to put those little red dots here and there around >things. Any advice to keeping them neat and consistent in size? > >cheers > >aliskye > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:49:31 EST From: RenScribe Subject: [scribes]: Re: Celtic Red Dots? In a message dated 1/28/98 6:37:53 PM, LaurieJ@fox.com wrote: >I'm working on a Book of Kells style scroll and I'm coming up to the >point where I need to put those little red dots here and there around >things. Any advice to keeping them neat and consistent in size? > >cheers > >aliskye Try dipping a toothpick in your red paint and touching it to the paper. You'll have to watch because the ends of the toothpick will fray eventually. But you should be able to make quite a few red dots before you need a new toothpick. Eibhlin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:41:03 +1100 From: Steve Roylance Subject: Re: [scribes]: What to do . . . > My vote is a for late scroll that is done properly instead of a rushed > piece that the scribe may not be proud of in the end. > > B'wana Christofano In Lochac/West the Prince/King gives a promissory and then the scribes work on the scrolls. I prefer it this way as you are not under sever time pressures (Yes, even now I am usually late with he work I do) and I did one scroll that was for a Pelican in AS 9 and I worked on it in AS 27 (I hope it looked like the scribe took all that time to do it). Always, a scroll done properly, researched and fitting with the recipients character/persona. I have seen a beautiful Celtic scroll done for someone who usually wore 14/15th century. As ever Thorfinn, Lochac, West Melbourne, Australia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:52:08 -0800 From: Kenneth Stoner Subject: Re: [scribes]: What to do . . . I was on the way home tonight and was thinking about the whole "Promisory V. Completed Scoll" thingy and had the following thought: "Is it possible that the Kingdoms where Promisorys are given out are the same Kingdoms where there is an extremely large population base and/or a large number of events? Looking at the CP and doing some research... Our monarchs attended almost 22 events in 1997. Of those I think almost 100 awards were given out... I know for a fact that 34 awards were given in just one Barony at a single event... Obviously this would be an extreme burden on the scribes in Caid if we were to have to do 100 scrolls a year... concidering that there are only about 8 of us actively doing commisions right now (by my own possibly faulty count). This doesn;t even count the 27 awards that were given out in the Barony in 1997. Calafia, my Barony, has approx 180 subscribers to the baronial newsletter and well over 400 active participants. Hmmm.... Sound reasonable? I know the west has a high concentration of populace and an extremely large number of events (with 3 principalities of 2 reigns per year and 3 Royal reigns per year). Artmesia, a new Kingdom, does promisorys too though. And my Barony might outnumber that whole Kingdom... at least thats what it seemed like back when we were a principality. (I used to live there). What about Ansteorra or Atlantia? How about the Middle? Cystennin Sends. ------------------------------ End of scribes digest V1 #17 ****************************