[Antir_scribes] Fwd: New questions from Bronwen-Long

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Subject: Re: [Antir_scribes] New questions from Bronwen-Long



Alaine,

Would you mind posting this to the AnTir-scribes list?

?

Bronwen


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Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 9:52 AM

Subject: Re: [Antir_scribes] New questions from Bronwen-Long









Interesting....




1) Have you ever motivated someone to become a new scribe? Yes a new illuminator? Yes a new calligrapher? Yes
2) If your answer to #1 was yes, what did you do or say to get that person 
interested?                                  






Different ways with different people: 


Some like to paint and think that doing Service that way will be easier for them.



Some asked about a Scroll for a loved one, and knowing they had an Artistic bent I asked if they would like to make the Scroll, 

which depending on the Person this leads them down the research, practice , and finished work road, which since they are doing a scroll 

for a loved one has a tendency to be more inclusive and if they like it they want to do more.

Some see it as a way to enjoy themselves at events, once you show them its possible to do at an event.

Some see it as a way to learn more about their Persona, then after doing research are motivated to try.

3) Do you have any other ideas about how to get people who have never done it - involved in scribal activities?
See above
4) What keeps people who do scribal stuff interested in continuing to do scribal stuff?
Not constantly pushing them to produce like they are a machine, being a Scribe is fun, until the artistic parts are thrown to the wayside in an attempt to produce quantity instead of quality. If you have to rush art it is no longer art.
The time to explore the intricacies of the Art and learn how different techniques were done, then having the liesure to practice them.
3) Do you have any other ideas about how to get people who have never done it - involved in scribal activities?
See above
4) What keeps people who do scribal stuff interested in continuing to do scribal stuff?
Not constantly pushing them to produce like they are a machine, being a Scribe is fun, until the artistic parts are thrown to the wayside in an attempt to produce quantity instead of quality. If you have to rush art it is no longer art.
The time to explore the intricacies of the Art and learn how different techniques were done, then having the liesure to practice them.
5) Do you think that uninitiated people think that scribal work is a mystery? 
Some
6) If your answer to question 5 was yes - what do you think are some ways to dispell the mystery. When I took my Scribal work to an event I always had a few people who stopped and talked and some sat and learned, It was a great way to teach without putting any pressure on the student. 
When I taught beginning scribal classes I found there was not the time to let them explore the actual art form and very few actually came back.?
7) do you have any good ideas on how to motivate experienced people to do scribal work? 
More respect for the amount of time it takes from the requestors. Perhaps educating the masses on the cost of some of the materials. Since most Royals are used to the budget that is spent on Charters for their Reigns they actually do not have any concept of how much an original scroll on vellum, using artist grade pigments or gouache, and perhaps with Gold Leaf,?can cost the Scribe just in materials; let alone the time to design and create the scroll. Even if done on archival paper the paper alone?could run??3.00 to 7.00 a sheet, then each tube of good paint averages 3.00 and up, and the last time I bought gold it was about 30.00 a book. I think that the Scribes who remain Scribes realize the cost and time commitment to the art but as a beginer I think we make a mistake trying to teach them with poor quality paper and student grade paint, you just don't get the same effect or expression as with the good stuff. But some come to Scribal thinking it is an inexpensive medieval art and get scared when they realize that if they want to be serious it is a long process that can get expensive if you don't take your time and budget accordingly. 

Sorry to run on, you hit on one of my pet peeves....
Alainne
Past Gryphon Scribe




3) Do you have any other ideas about how to get people who have never done it - involved in scribal activities?
See above
4) What keeps people who do scribal stuff interested in continuing to do scribal stuff?
Not constantly pushing them to produce like they are a machine, being a Scribe is fun, until the artistic parts are thrown to the wayside in an attempt to produce quantity instead of quality. If you have to rush art it is no longer art.
The time to explore the intricacies of the Art and learn how different techniques were done, then having the liesure to practice them.

5) Do you think that uninitiated people think that scribal work is a mystery? 
Some
6) If your answer to question 5 was yes - what do you think are some ways to dispell the mystery. When I took my Scribal work to an event I always had a few people who stopped and talked and some sat and learned, It was a great way to teach without putting any pressure on the student. 
When I taught beginning scribal classes I found there was not the time to let them explore the actual art form and very few actually came back.?
7) do you have any good ideas on how to motivate experienced people to do scribal work? 
More respect for the amount of time it takes from the requestors. Perhaps educating the masses on the cost of some of the materials. Since most Royals are used to the budget that is spent on Charters for their Reigns they actually do not have any concept of how much an original scroll on vellum, using artist grade pigments or gouache, and perhaps with Gold Leaf,?can cost the Scribe just in materials; let alone the time to design and create the scroll. Even if done on archival paper the paper alone?could run??3.00 to 7.00 a sheet, then each tube of good paint averages 3.00 and up, and the last time I bought gold it was about 30.00 a book. I think that the Scribes who remain Scribes realize the cost and time commitment to the art but as a beginer I think we make a mistake trying to teach them with poor quality paper and student grade paint, you just don't get the same effect or expression as with the good stuff. But some come to Scribal thinking it is an inexpensive medieval art and get scared when they realize that if they want to be serious it is a long process that can get expensive if you don't take your time and budget accordingly. 

Sorry to run on, you hit on one of my pet peeves....
Alainne
Past Gryphon Scribe

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