[Antir_scribes] Shield shapes on charters

[Jillian Bower]

Well, the populace badge and the ensign flag are different :) There's a
great explanation with visuals at
http://antirheralds.org/display/populace_badge.html.

If you're just working from the blazon (words), though, to recreate the
ensign into a picture (emblazon), you'd start with the field. Generally,
this is everything before the first comma. In this case, it's "Checky Or and
argent". You'd start up at the top left corner and draw your checkerboard,
coloring gold then silver. Then, you do the rest of it, in this case "a
dexter tierce sable". This means that on the dexter (left) side of the
shape, you'd draw a tierce (a black stripe), and then color it sable
(black). Blazons always describe things from left to right and top to
bottom.

The populace badge is just "(Fieldless) A lion's head erased contourny
sable". This means that you can put the lion's head on any background your
little heart desires, as long as -nothing else- is added to the design. The
(Fieldless) designator systematically protects it from anyone registering a
single black lion's head, with a jagged, furry neckline (erased), facing the
right side of the shape (contourny)... on any field. This protection,
however, goes away if you add a border, chief, or other elements like stars
or hearts or whatever. So scribes would need to be instructed not to add
anything to the shield if you use the populace badge or ensign somewhere on
it.

Hope that helps clear up a little bit. Can you tell I'm a herald first and a
scribe second? :) I am thinking maybe a "Heraldry for Scribes" class may be
prudent somewhere.... :)

In service,
HL Elizabeth Turner de Carlisle
Lowenmahne Herald
Sinister Gauntlet Pursuivant
Scribe, Adiantum
Protégé to Master Finngall McKetterick, OP
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:54 AM, AnTir Scribe
<antir.sablesable at gmail.com>wrote:

> Actually, I thought you were talking about using the populace banner which
> is "checky or and argent a dexter tierce sable" as said Elizabeth in one of
> the previous notes.
>
> I would absolutely not put the the lion's head on the shield and then let
> people paint the field any color they want
> (that could potentially conflict with someone's registered heraldry)
>
> I don't think this is too much fuss
> It's very important stuff - and all the questions need to be answered
>
> I'm actually quite glad that it came up  :-)
>
> About your other question on it being too much black - I'd probably have to
> say yes - its too much black
> (Have you ever painted a Jambe Charter - most of the designs that I've seen
> just have the outline of the lions arm and claws
> I don't think that I've ever seen one that was already filled in for me
> with
> the black color.)
>
> Black Lion said that she would get back to us today sometime - if you can
> wait  :-)  ;-)  ;-S
>
> Bronwen
>
>
>
>
> On 10/21/08, Alexis Garrigues <mehitabel19 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >   Thank you for pursuing this- I am thinking that I will leave it blank
> > with a prominent note in the cut-off margin to make the shield a solid
> > color.  That's my first choice.
> > The populace badge would be my 2nd choice; I even found heraldry with a
> > profile lion's head in the same manuscript, so I can keep it
> stylistically
> > consistent.  The populace badge is fieldless, isn't it?  So if I fill it
> in
> > with black on the master, would it matter what color the painters make
> the
> > field?  Is it a bad idea to fill in that much black on the master?
> > It does occur to me that this may be a lot of fuss for nothing- aside
> from
> > one reign, this award hasn't been presented very often.  However, I would
> > like to know how to go about dealing with images of shields, since they
> are
> > so present in medieval art.
> > Thanks again,
> > Annisa
> >
> >
> > --- On *Mon, 10/20/08, AnTir Scribe <antir.sablesable at gmail.com>* wrote:
> >
> > From: AnTir Scribe <antir.sablesable at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Antir_scribes] Shield shapes on charters
> > To: mehitabel19 at yahoo.com, "Gwen Frost" <gwenliancatharne at hotmail.com>
> > Cc: "Ursula Georges" <ursula at math.washington.edu>,
> > antir_scribes at castle.org
> > Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 7:58 PM
> >
> >  Greetings Scribes and Greetings Gwenlian Black Lion,
> > I am forwarding this on to Black Lion who can and will give the official
> > okay for what can be placed on a shield on a Charter.  I wish that I
> could
> > send her this entire discussion, but I do not know how to do that.
> >
> > My only problem with using the populace badge is that you would have to
> > send instructions to people on how it is to be painted or otherwise
> people
> > might see the design as something they could paint any with whatever
> colors
> > they desired.
> >
> > We must remember that many charter illuminators are not heralds and may
> not
> > understand what they are looking at :-)
> >
> > Bronwen
> >
> >
> >
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