[Antir_scribes] Shield shapes on charters

Tue Oct 21 10:41:36 PDT 2008

poor poor Tegan - the girl with a code in her node

I remember you telling me

The blazon is the secret - to the emblazon  :-)

Meaning
You always start in the upper left corner of the shield
 - Checky Or and Argent - means the first color listed "Or" is the color
that goes there (the upper left corner)

or
if the blazon said
paly Vert and Or      ("paly = vertical stripes)

the first stripe on the left would be "vert (green)" because Vert is the
first color listed in the blazon

I know that you will remember you told me this Tegan when your head cold
clears up  :-)
I was so fascinated
'cuz you made it SO VERY easy

Thanks
Bronwen


On 10/21/08, Tegan Conwy <teganconwy at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>   So now I have to rack my poor little disease rattled brain??
>
> What did I say?? and will Tamlyn correct me?  BTW.. putting the kings arms
> on a patent WAS done in period and my documentation on an original scroll
> for a laurel was what made him make his decision.. about charters I guess...
> lol
>
> As far as I can remember.. It's checky Or and Argent  from left to right
> with the most complete box on the left topmost corner starting off the
> pattern as Or.
>
> Tegan
>
> --- On *Mon, 10/20/08, AnTir Scribe <antir.sablesable at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> From: AnTir Scribe <antir.sablesable at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Antir_scribes] Shield shapes on charters
> To: "1-antir_scribes" <antir_scribes at castle.org>
> Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 9:02 PM
>
> While we are on this discussion about our populace device (and all the
> Kingdom badges/devices that start out Checky Or and Argent a ...........)
>
> Dearest Tegan, Royal Scribe
>
> Can you send the list your description of HOW to paint the Checky Or and
> Argent? (you know, which square/which color and why)
>
> I heard you speak it at September crown and it was the best and easiest to
> remember description that I've heard  :-)  (my favorite!!!)
>
> I know it was taught to you in a class - but I liked the way that you put it
> - and it will stick with me forever - without me having to rack my brain
>
> please - oh please  :-)
>
> Bronwen
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> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 8:25 PM, AnTir Scribe
> <antir.sablesable at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >  Wait...
> >
> > no need to paper clip the instructions
> >
> > Eleanor - I will be sending you
>  the charter paper for copying the
> > designs onto
> >
> > It is 11" x 17"
> >
> > The Charters being designed are only 11" x 14"
> >
> > there are 3 inches of space at the bottom (or top) of each page that gets
> > cut off before it is presented - so if the designing scribe has any
> special
> > instructions - thats where they can go
> >
> > the instructions can be put on by the designing scribe if they do the
> > original on 11 x 17 paper (as I am, this is where I will put the version
> of
> > the futhark received from Her Highness)
> >  or,
> > the Royal Scribe can put the Master 11 x 14 on an 11 x 17 page and put the
> > instructions on at that time
> >
> > the instructions and the charter design in the end need to all be copied
> > onto the charter paper at the same time - once through the Copier.
> >
> > Bronwen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct
>  20, 2008 at 8:16 PM, <cknutson3 at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Send me a description and instructions and I will paper clip a copy to
> >> each one. That's if it's OK to use and the design is choosen.
> Then when they
> >> are returned it's quick check make ure there're ok. If
> they're not I will:
> >> a.fix it or b. do a neat and tidy paint over so it just looks like a
> genaric
> >> shield.
> >> Eleanor
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: AnTir Scribe <antir.sablesable at gmail.com>
> >> To: mehitabel19 at yahoo.com; Gwen Frost
> <gwenliancatharne at hotmail.com>
> >> Cc: antir_scribes at castle.org
> >>  Sent: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 7:58 pm
> >> Subject: Re: [Antir_scribes] Shield shapes on charters
> >>
> >> Greetings Scribes and Greetings Gwenlian Black Lion,
> >> I am forwarding this on to Black Lion who can
>  and will give the
> official
> >> okay for what can be placed on a shield on a Charter.  I wish that I
> could
> >> send her this entire discussion, but I do not know how to do that.
> >>
> >> My only problem with using the populace badge is that you would have
> to send
> >> instructions to people on how it is to be painted or otherwise people
> might
> >> see the design as something they could paint any with whatever colors
> they
> >> desired.
> >>
> >> We must remember that many charter illuminators are not heralds and
> may not
> >> understand what they are looking at :-)
> >>
> >> Bronwen
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Alexis Garrigues
> <mehitabel19 at yahoo.com>wrote:
> >>
> >> > Thank you all for your suggestions- I especially like the vair
> idea, as
> >> > there
>  are many instances of vair in this manuscript.  The
> populace badge
> >> > would be okay as well, if that would be more palatable to
> Heralds.
> >> > Is anyone on this list in the position to give either of these
> ideas an
> >> > official "OK", so that I can finish the charter and
> send it off to Eleanor?
> >> > The shield is less than 2" across, but falls rather
> centrally in the panel
> >> > of illustration.  I can't really see changing its shape or
> eliminating it,
> >> > as all of the shields in the source manuscript are heater-shaped.
>  That
> >> > would look very strange to me.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks again,
> >> > Annisa
> >> >
> >> > --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Ursula Georges
> <ursula at math.washington.edu> wrote:
> >> > From: Ursula Georges <ursula at math.washington.edu>
> >> > Subject: Re:
>  [Antir_scribes] Shield shapes on charters
> >> > To: "Arnora" <ArnoraGrimsdottir at msn.com>
> >> > Cc: antir_scribes at castle.org
> >> > Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 12:57 PM
> >> >
> >> > Arnora wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Now my question: Would it be acceptable to use the An Tir
> populace
> >> > > badge in an instance like this? Kingdom award, Kingdom
> resident -
> >> > > makes sense to me.
> >> >
> >> > As far as heraldic rules go, I don't see any reason not to
> use the
> >> > kingdom populace badge on an illustrated shield.  But I'm not
> sure it
> >> > would be the most authentic way to use it, or for that matter,
> the most
> >> > fun-- in my observation, badges in medieval illumination are more
> likely
> >> > to be worked into the design somehow (imagine it on
>  the
> fighter's
> >> > surcoat, or a cushion, or decorative hangings, or peeking out
> from a
> >> > border, or serving as a crest on a helm . . .)
> >> >
> >> > Ursula Georges.
> >> >
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