[Antir_scribes] Shield shapes on charters

Mon Oct 20 21:02:31 PDT 2008

While we are on this discussion about our populace device (and all the
Kingdom badges/devices that start out Checky Or and Argent a ...........)

Dearest Tegan, Royal Scribe

Can you send the list your description of HOW to paint the Checky Or and
Argent? (you know, which square/which color and why)

I heard you speak it at September crown and it was the best and easiest to
remember description that I've heard  :-)  (my favorite!!!)

I know it was taught to you in a class - but I liked the way that you put it
- and it will stick with me forever - without me having to rack my brain

please - oh please  :-)

Bronwen

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 8:25 PM, AnTir Scribe <antir.sablesable at gmail.com>wrote:

>  Wait...
>
> no need to paper clip the instructions
>
> Eleanor - I will be sending you the charter paper for copying the
> designs onto
>
> It is 11" x 17"
>
> The Charters being designed are only 11" x 14"
>
> there are 3 inches of space at the bottom (or top) of each page that gets
> cut off before it is presented - so if the designing scribe has any special
> instructions - thats where they can go
>
> the instructions can be put on by the designing scribe if they do the
> original on 11 x 17 paper (as I am, this is where I will put the version of
> the futhark received from Her Highness)
>  or,
> the Royal Scribe can put the Master 11 x 14 on an 11 x 17 page and put the
> instructions on at that time
>
> the instructions and the charter design in the end need to all be copied
> onto the charter paper at the same time - once through the Copier.
>
> Bronwen
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 8:16 PM, <cknutson3 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Send me a description and instructions and I will paper clip a copy to
>> each one. That's if it's OK to use and the design is choosen. Then when they
>> are returned it's quick check make ure there're ok. If they're not I will:
>> a.fix it or b. do a neat and tidy paint over so it just looks like a genaric
>> shield.
>> Eleanor
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: AnTir Scribe <antir.sablesable at gmail.com>
>> To: mehitabel19 at yahoo.com; Gwen Frost <gwenliancatharne at hotmail.com>
>> Cc: antir_scribes at castle.org
>>  Sent: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 7:58 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Antir_scribes] Shield shapes on charters
>>
>> Greetings Scribes and Greetings Gwenlian Black Lion,
>> I am forwarding this on to Black Lion who can and will give the official
>> okay for what can be placed on a shield on a Charter.  I wish that I could
>> send her this entire discussion, but I do not know how to do that.
>>
>> My only problem with using the populace badge is that you would have to send
>> instructions to people on how it is to be painted or otherwise people might
>> see the design as something they could paint any with whatever colors they
>> desired.
>>
>> We must remember that many charter illuminators are not heralds and may not
>> understand what they are looking at :-)
>>
>> Bronwen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Alexis Garrigues <mehitabel19 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>> > Thank you all for your suggestions- I especially like the vair idea, as
>> > there are many instances of vair in this manuscript.  The populace badge
>> > would be okay as well, if that would be more palatable to Heralds.
>> > Is anyone on this list in the position to give either of these ideas an
>> > official "OK", so that I can finish the charter and send it off to Eleanor?
>> > The shield is less than 2" across, but falls rather centrally in the panel
>> > of illustration.  I can't really see changing its shape or eliminating it,
>> > as all of the shields in the source manuscript are heater-shaped.  That
>> > would look very strange to me.
>> >
>> > Thanks again,
>> > Annisa
>> >
>> > --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Ursula Georges <ursula at math.washington.edu> wrote:
>> > From: Ursula Georges <ursula at math.washington.edu>
>> > Subject: Re: [Antir_scribes] Shield shapes on charters
>> > To: "Arnora" <ArnoraGrimsdottir at msn.com>
>> > Cc: antir_scribes at castle.org
>> > Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 12:57 PM
>> >
>> > Arnora wrote:
>> >
>> > > Now my question: Would it be acceptable to use the An Tir populace
>> > > badge in an instance like this? Kingdom award, Kingdom resident -
>> > > makes sense to me.
>> >
>> > As far as heraldic rules go, I don't see any reason not to use the
>> > kingdom populace badge on an illustrated shield.  But I'm not sure it
>> > would be the most authentic way to use it, or for that matter, the most
>> > fun-- in my observation, badges in medieval illumination are more likely
>> > to be worked into the design somehow (imagine it on the fighter's
>> > surcoat, or a cushion, or decorative hangings, or peeking out from a
>> > border, or serving as a crest on a helm . . .)
>> >
>> > Ursula Georges.
>> >
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