[Antir_scribes] Shield shapes on charters

[AnTir Scribe]

Greetings Scribes and Greetings Gwenlian Black Lion,
I am forwarding this on to Black Lion who can and will give the official
okay for what can be placed on a shield on a Charter.  I wish that I could
send her this entire discussion, but I do not know how to do that.

My only problem with using the populace badge is that you would have to send
instructions to people on how it is to be painted or otherwise people might
see the design as something they could paint any with whatever colors they
desired.

We must remember that many charter illuminators are not heralds and may not
understand what they are looking at :-)

Bronwen




On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Alexis Garrigues <mehitabel19 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Thank you all for your suggestions- I especially like the vair idea, as
> there are many instances of vair in this manuscript.  The populace badge
> would be okay as well, if that would be more palatable to Heralds.
> Is anyone on this list in the position to give either of these ideas an
> official "OK", so that I can finish the charter and send it off to Eleanor?
> The shield is less than 2" across, but falls rather centrally in the panel
> of illustration.  I can't really see changing its shape or eliminating it,
> as all of the shields in the source manuscript are heater-shaped.  That
> would look very strange to me.
>
> Thanks again,
> Annisa
>
> --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Ursula Georges <ursula at math.washington.edu> wrote:
> From: Ursula Georges <ursula at math.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Antir_scribes] Shield shapes on charters
> To: "Arnora" <ArnoraGrimsdottir at msn.com>
> Cc: antir_scribes at castle.org
> Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 12:57 PM
>
> Arnora wrote:
>
> > Now my question: Would it be acceptable to use the An Tir populace
> > badge in an instance like this? Kingdom award, Kingdom resident -
> > makes sense to me.
>
> As far as heraldic rules go, I don't see any reason not to use the
> kingdom populace badge on an illustrated shield.  But I'm not sure it
> would be the most authentic way to use it, or for that matter, the most
> fun-- in my observation, badges in medieval illumination are more likely
> to be worked into the design somehow (imagine it on the fighter's
> surcoat, or a cushion, or decorative hangings, or peeking out from a
> border, or serving as a crest on a helm . . .)
>
> Ursula Georges.
>
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