[Antir_scribes] Shield shapes on charters

[Chiara Francesca]

A populace badge should not be an issue I would think. Is that not a good solution?

The one of two last custom scrolls I did was for King's Champion where a shield shape was left blank on it for the holder to place his heraldry on it. But that was a custom order by the Crown. They wanted specific scrolls to be personalized since it was the 25th year anniversary.

The other was a scene from an illumination of mounted fighters clashing for an equestrian award. I left all the shields blank on that one too.

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Chiara Francesca


> -----Original Message-----
> From: antir_scribes-bounces at castle.org [mailto:antir_scribes-
> bounces at castle.org] On Behalf Of Arnora
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:43 PM
> To: antir_scribes at castle.org
> Subject: Re: [Antir_scribes] Shield shapes on charters
> 
> As both a scribe and a herald I really like the idea of putting the
> badge on the shield. This would work for almost anything except an AoA
> I would think.
> 
> Even if it already has the badge somewhere else, putting it on the
> shield sounds good to me. If you can work it so that is the primary
> depiction - so much the better!
> 
> If it is an Award of Arms then the vair, potent or ermine option would
> probably be best. We scribes have a nasty habit of filling in blanks
> with pretty stuff!
> 
> Now my question: Would it be acceptable to use the An Tir populace
> badge in an instance like this? Kingdom award, Kingdom resident - makes
> sense to me.
> 
> Arnora
> A fan of more heraldry in charter design!
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Ursula Georges<mailto:ursula at math.washington.edu>
>   To: mehitabel19 at yahoo.com<mailto:mehitabel19 at yahoo.com>
>   Cc: antir_scribes at castle.org<mailto:antir_scribes at castle.org>
>   Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:14 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Antir_scribes] Shield shapes on charters
> 
> 
>   Alexis Garrigues wrote:
>   > I just finished a charter design for the upcoming reign, and on
>   > reading the tidbit of info at
>   > http://www.scribes.antir.sca.org/Scrolls-
> Charters/difference.html<http://www.scribes.antir.sca.org/Scrolls-
> Charters/difference.html> , I
>   > am wondering if it will be problematic. I used an illustration from
>   > the Manesse Codex as a model, which includes a knight carrying a
>   > shield.  I left the face of the shield blank, but am wondering if
>   > there will be a problem with painters putting any sort of graphic
> on
>   > this shield- would that be considered "heraldry" and need Herald
>   > approval?
> 
>   I would not expect a single-tinctured shield to be an issue, since
> the
>   SCA doesn't register single tinctures, so a note to the scribe not to
>   decorate the shield should be sufficient.  If you're doing a charter
> for
>   an order with a registered badge, you could just put the badge on the
>   shield.
> 
>   If you're in the mood for a bit of rules-lawyering, there's another
> way
>   to obstruct scribal initiative: decorate the shield with outlines for
>   vair or potent.
> 
> 
> http://heraldry.sca.org/primer/vair.gif<http://heraldry.sca.org/primer/
> vair.gif>
> 
> http://heraldry.sca.org/primer/potent.gif<http://heraldry.sca.org/prime
> r/potent.gif>
> 
>   This still makes a "single tincture" shield by SCA rules (ermine
> would
>   work too, were it not reserved for Brittany).
> 
>   Ursula Georges.
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